The Pirates are dead.
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Reygekan":1k33hypq said:
They're not legally endorsing filesharing for free. It would be a paid service, like Napster was forced to become. Napster, when free, was bigger than jesus. Nowadays people are just like "what that place is still around??".
There's always been paid filesharing and there will always be paid filesharing. It's not like TPB switching to a paid service would be anything new, refreshing, or of any interest at all to anyone who knew that place existed and why it existed.
Alexander Morou
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So why do people believe that products, that can sometimes take upwards of millions of dollars to produce, should be free for all?
That business would be dead quick. The Pirate's Bay can say all they like that the content should be free, but they're not the ones fitting the bill to making the content, they were just helping distribute it across illegal waters.
That business would be dead quick. The Pirate's Bay can say all they like that the content should be free, but they're not the ones fitting the bill to making the content, they were just helping distribute it across illegal waters.
I don't believe products should be free for all. I'm mainly interested in downloading games and movies, and with the amount of shit games/movies around these days, I'm sure as hell not going to pay before I play it. If it's good, I'll more than gladly pay after. I consider filesharing as a way for me to get extended demos.
Hypothetical:
I buy Macromedia Flash MX. It's great and it works and it does everything I need it to. Then, 6 months later, Flash 8 comes out. What's new? The GUI is slightly better, a few bugs were fixed, there are 3 new photoshop-style effects, and there are advanced/novice settings on the flashscript dialog window. These are all things that really should have been released as an expansion or update to Flash MX. It's not a different program. You can't tell me this shit cost millions to produce. If it did, they are not allocating their money appropriately.
All of this is fine, I just won't upgrade. I don't need those features.
Oh but hey, I'm trying to share files among my clients, and they all have Flash 8. And guess what, it's not backwards-compatible. Great. So now I have no choice but to upgrade.
It's $700 to buy it new. But oh, hey, how nice, it's only $200 to upgrade. (Yes, I'm aware we're up to CS4 now. Like I said this is a hypothetical.)
It's $200--the price of three weeks of groceries, or an entire car payment--just for the ability to open files made IN THE SAME PROGRAM, WHICH REALLY IS ONLY A VERY TINY UPGRADE FROM THE PREVIOUS VERSION.
This is not financially sound. Why should I pay tons of cash to re-buy the same fucking program over and over EVERY YEAR. Now, if the price were relative to the amount of new material, say, $20, I'd fork it over. But ten times that? Fuck that. I'm not buying a program in this scenario, I'm paying to rent it for a year until the next one comes out!
Downloading programs which are only minor upgrades from software which I already paid for is a way of telling these assholes to fuck off if they think they can bleed us for every penny for stupid tiny technical upgrades which should have been there in the first place!
On the same note, I buy quality software. People don't buy PC software back, they don't accept returns for opened PC merchandise. So why is it a bad thing if I want to take it for a test ride before making a commitment. That's like buying a new car because the paint color is nice without even driving it.
I buy Macromedia Flash MX. It's great and it works and it does everything I need it to. Then, 6 months later, Flash 8 comes out. What's new? The GUI is slightly better, a few bugs were fixed, there are 3 new photoshop-style effects, and there are advanced/novice settings on the flashscript dialog window. These are all things that really should have been released as an expansion or update to Flash MX. It's not a different program. You can't tell me this shit cost millions to produce. If it did, they are not allocating their money appropriately.
All of this is fine, I just won't upgrade. I don't need those features.
Oh but hey, I'm trying to share files among my clients, and they all have Flash 8. And guess what, it's not backwards-compatible. Great. So now I have no choice but to upgrade.
It's $700 to buy it new. But oh, hey, how nice, it's only $200 to upgrade. (Yes, I'm aware we're up to CS4 now. Like I said this is a hypothetical.)
It's $200--the price of three weeks of groceries, or an entire car payment--just for the ability to open files made IN THE SAME PROGRAM, WHICH REALLY IS ONLY A VERY TINY UPGRADE FROM THE PREVIOUS VERSION.
This is not financially sound. Why should I pay tons of cash to re-buy the same fucking program over and over EVERY YEAR. Now, if the price were relative to the amount of new material, say, $20, I'd fork it over. But ten times that? Fuck that. I'm not buying a program in this scenario, I'm paying to rent it for a year until the next one comes out!
Downloading programs which are only minor upgrades from software which I already paid for is a way of telling these assholes to fuck off if they think they can bleed us for every penny for stupid tiny technical upgrades which should have been there in the first place!
On the same note, I buy quality software. People don't buy PC software back, they don't accept returns for opened PC merchandise. So why is it a bad thing if I want to take it for a test ride before making a commitment. That's like buying a new car because the paint color is nice without even driving it.
I agree with Ven - why would I want to fork over $600 for software that's not even tangible? Take Finale. Finale is an excellent program, but they come out with a new version every year - and they don't sell previous versions. If they sold them for $60 or $100, I'd buy! But they don't. And if they're not going to even try to make any money on them, why shouldn't we distribute them? We're getting an inferior product. And, in case we DO want that shiny whatever-new-thing is in the update, we might be a little more willing to part with our hard earned cash because we know what we'd be getting.
I don't think *new* things, however, ought to be distributed for free. They at least need a chance to make their money back.
I don't think *new* things, however, ought to be distributed for free. They at least need a chance to make their money back.
Venetia- Oh, by no means is it going to cause a huge radical change, but scope is important. Even the music industry realized they made a mistake with the way they handled Napster. I'm for filesharing becoming more popularized for distributing information because the people who make movies and music and games really do deserve the money they earn from making them- but they distribute it poorly.
However, I'm not going to judge pirating because while I agree it is wrong that someone should receive no money from their hard work, I also understand that there's multiple simple and complex reasons why people do it and I'm not in a position to pass judgment. Regardless, the torrents themselves are still there- the PB just searched them out, so it's not really a hit towards pirating at all (just use a different website) in my eyes so much as a step in the right direction for better file distribution. It could boil down to nothing, but an attempt of some sort was made and that's always a good thing.
However, I'm not going to judge pirating because while I agree it is wrong that someone should receive no money from their hard work, I also understand that there's multiple simple and complex reasons why people do it and I'm not in a position to pass judgment. Regardless, the torrents themselves are still there- the PB just searched them out, so it's not really a hit towards pirating at all (just use a different website) in my eyes so much as a step in the right direction for better file distribution. It could boil down to nothing, but an attempt of some sort was made and that's always a good thing.
Ludichris1
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Wasn't Pirate Bay an illegal site with p0rn advertisements? Yay I'm glad it's gone. I don't know why SOME OF you guys will just get illegal stuff. :huh:
Alexander Morou
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Venetia,
Personally I agree with the fact of most programs. There are exceptions; however, they are few and far between. One being Visual Studio, typically they release fairly sizable changes to the product, in the next version they're even introducing an entirely new [Windows Presentation Foundation] IDE. I think for the most part, the large prices are likely to combat two things: pirating, and competition (though who competes with Adobe these days?). Another thing about the products is most of them are made for professionals, so they carry a typically higher price tag than your average consumer can usually agree is fair.
Visual Studio Standard cost me $300.00, where I could have got it for 60 bucks less if I bought the original CD version, but I liked the nicety of being able to download it from the Windows Digital Locker (I think that's its name, Windows Marketplace now, I believe).
Then the bastards decided a few months later, they were closing the service, and I have until August to download a final copy before the service disappears. That extra sixty dollars, pissed away. So yeah, companies do stupid things, and I think for the most part, companies like Microsoft have it the right way: lots of versions, different levels of functionality for the target audience (they start at a express editions, which are free, and go up to a Team Studio which is 10 grand for a license). While Adobe does have versions, they only have two, $699.00 for a niche product is far too steep a price to pay when most users won't use half of its functionality.
Personally I agree with the fact of most programs. There are exceptions; however, they are few and far between. One being Visual Studio, typically they release fairly sizable changes to the product, in the next version they're even introducing an entirely new [Windows Presentation Foundation] IDE. I think for the most part, the large prices are likely to combat two things: pirating, and competition (though who competes with Adobe these days?). Another thing about the products is most of them are made for professionals, so they carry a typically higher price tag than your average consumer can usually agree is fair.
Visual Studio Standard cost me $300.00, where I could have got it for 60 bucks less if I bought the original CD version, but I liked the nicety of being able to download it from the Windows Digital Locker (I think that's its name, Windows Marketplace now, I believe).
Then the bastards decided a few months later, they were closing the service, and I have until August to download a final copy before the service disappears. That extra sixty dollars, pissed away. So yeah, companies do stupid things, and I think for the most part, companies like Microsoft have it the right way: lots of versions, different levels of functionality for the target audience (they start at a express editions, which are free, and go up to a Team Studio which is 10 grand for a license). While Adobe does have versions, they only have two, $699.00 for a niche product is far too steep a price to pay when most users won't use half of its functionality.
I found this on TBP's forums. Read the 1st post.
http://suprbay.org/showthread.php?t=57484
From what I understand TBP is not dead. It will still be a public tracker.
http://suprbay.org/showthread.php?t=57484
From what I understand TBP is not dead. It will still be a public tracker.
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If piratebay dies, then the internet is doomed!
I don't know how many friends I have who now have jobs from skills they learned on pirate software. Before you get access to disposable income, or a family that will give you access to a debit card for online purchases, you have no other option but to pirate and If that goes, then tomorrow looks very bleak for the web. :blush:
And yes, I pirated and still do. Although now I buy stuff that I use.
If piratebay dies, then the internet is doomed!
I don't know how many friends I have who now have jobs from skills they learned on pirate software. Before you get access to disposable income, or a family that will give you access to a debit card for online purchases, you have no other option but to pirate and If that goes, then tomorrow looks very bleak for the web. :blush:
And yes, I pirated and still do. Although now I buy stuff that I use.
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Preach brother! :haha:
Also, another major element of piracy is inaccessability. I bought my first program online 3 months ago. Before then, I solely downloaded stuff because I earned cash in hand and paypal kept freezing my account whenever I tried to buy anything with money I had put in in the same week. (I could rant about them for years so I wont bother) The point is, if you have to choose between getting something illegally(but without moral impact or much chance of getting caught) and not getting it at all, there is only one decision.
I'm sure there's many on the site that know what I'm talkin about, especailly if we have the :smoke: icon.