The extreme end of feminism

[FoxDemonSoavi]

http://www.takver.com/history/womyn.htm

what do you think of the article? it is a normal feminist examining the extream ends of the movement.

 

[AceJP]

didnt reas the article, but what is intetesting, is that true feminist ideaology is anti marriage, they see it as a way to trap and control women and want marriage abolished.
Feminists are so funny. They compain about men controlling them, and being discrimitive, so they decide to be discrimitive back towards men...

 

[FoxDemonSoavi]

I think by not reading the article you didn't learn much. I am talking about the extream end here. the article is a normal feminist analyzing the extream ones.

 

[Title Loan Man]

I'm completely against modern feminism, largely because of the extremism she writes about.

 

[FoxDemonSoavi]

however, if you are against modern feminism because of a few extreamists, then what is stopping you from being against any group with who has extreamists? Every cause has extreamists. We tend to mistake the cause for the extreamists. Christanity is a classic example where people mistake the loud extream fanatics for the whole religion.

 

[Roman Candle]

The problem with the feminist movement is that it has no defined centre ground. One feminist might say that their goals are the equal treatment of all women; another might say that feminism requires active discrimination to repair the barriars which face women; another might say that feminism is about sexual liberation for women - burning bras, the pill, etc; another would say that this is simply further objectifacation of women. And then you have the biker butches at the back with the "Women need men like fish need toxic waste dumpers" banners. This means that people often say "I'm against feminism", when what they mean is "I'm against (some) feminists". There is no one definitive feminism movement, which is a problem.

 

[Sketch]

I agree with Roman on this one...hell, it's the same with almost all politics too.

I hate all Democrats
I hate all Republicans

Only...it's the extremists that people tend to hate (and how more often end up getting into power :P)...I would think that if feminists were to actually work together for the betterment of all women, instead of pushing their own agendas (as good as they may seem seperatly)

See, the way I see it is like you have a factory that builds toys. One building has the train engine...another has the tracks...and yet another has the power cells. Yet there is no communication (or very little) between the two. Instead of making a profit and trains and moving forward, the company is making very little headway. Sure, the Trains may be the best, the tracks of superior quality, and the power paks the most powerful...but unless they were to fully combine under one banner, they won't make much headway as a Train Set...which is how I feel about the feminist movement. It's made great leaps and strides...but now it needs a more focused point.

**EDIT**

Several of the women I interviewed suggested to me that men had in fact been trying to kill women for centuries, but had held back because of women's role in giving birth, Current experiments by scientists with test-tube babies, genetic engineering and cloning concerned these women as attempts to eradicate the necessity for women at all.

This hit me as a rather intersting topic of debate. In my eyes, the test tube babies, fake sperm, and other genetic experiments are more of a way to eradicate men than women. I mean, if you can make a baby with two women well enough, the man suddenly becomes an obsolete and albeit messy tool of delivery.

 

[FoxDemonSoavi]

This hit me as a rather intersting topic of debate. In my eyes, the test tube babies, fake sperm, and other genetic experiments are more of a way to eradicate men than women. I mean, if you can make a baby with two women well enough, the man suddenly becomes an obsolete and albeit messy tool of delivery.

I totaly agree with that. I tend to mention it a lot, sometimes in a nice way, sometimes a bad way. Sceintists have managed to cobmine two eggs in mice to produce offspring (low success rate). If this technology improves well that would phase out men. As would a lot of the technology these women seem to think would make them obsolete.

 

[Sketch]

EXACTLY...so I dunno...I don't want to stray too far off your original topic however, just say that is something I honestly think could be used one day to really ignite a femanist movement in a -bad- way. I think there's a place for both men and women (and yes, perfectly equal...it may be because I saw my wife push our son out of her a few days ago, but I cherish and respect her now more than I ever did...and I did a fuckton of a lot before...lol) in the world, but if feminists use this as their focal point, it could lead to not only a larger gap in equality between the sexes, it could lead to extremists taking matters into their own hands.

 

[FoxDemonSoavi]

Yup :/ extreamists are a major problem. my primary intention in posting this article was to show some of what is really going on in the feminist movement and hopefully get people to stop saying "all feminists are bad." I figure since it is a feminist writing about the feminist fringe and why its the way it is would give people a good understanding that extreamists are not the cause. As Roman Candle pointed out, the movement lacks direction.

didnt reas the article, but what is intetesting, is that true feminist ideaology is anti marriage, they see it as a way to trap and control women and want marriage abolished.
Feminists are so funny. They compain about men controlling them, and being discrimitive, so they decide to be discrimitive back towards men...

if you read the article you would know that statement to be false.

 

[Sketch]

Indeed...if you're going to comment at least -skim- the source material that's being kinda discussed

 

[Sketch]

I didn't bother to read TREG's post, but did you know he's a chicken? Chickens are funny.

 

[LegacyComplete]

im male and i treat women with utmost respect, unless they're a bitch when i try to be nice. I dont want to control women, i dont want to command them around, the only reason i like the whole "Marriage" idea, is because of the beautiful ceremony. I and my Fiance both do not believe in the back grounds of Marriage, to be honest.. we just want the ceremony, it may sound selfish, but we dont care.

Extremist Femanism, well, its kind of... bad...

I have no problem with normal Femanists, i have some for friends, and we both treat each other like normal human beings, we get along, laugh, drink occasionally and have a great time, they're just like you and me.

Extremist Femanists, well.... i just dont get it.. what would make you be so hostile towards every man walking? i've run into few in my life, and the experience isnt that great... they treat you like shit, they look like they want to spit in your face, and they're just plain rude, and for no reason atall, even if your a polite nice well mannered person...

 

[Krank The Tank]

Feminism makes me angry like you wouldn't believe. It's the whole "mothers should receive payment for taking care of their kids" thing. Of course, I always thought that you were supposed to take care of your kids, regardless if you were getting paid or not. I'm not saying it's not work. But what I'm saying is, if you're going to have kids, be prepared to take care of them and not whine because you don't get paid for doing something that you basically MUST do.

They say, "men can stay home". Well of course they can. Some already do. But why can't extreme feminists let women make their own choices? If a woman wants to stay home and take care of the kids while her husband works, let her. It's her choice, they shouldn't try to sway her into working if she wants to be a stay-at-home-mom/wife.

 

[Title Loan Man]

The thing that bothers me about feminism is that it completely devalues housewives. The problem before feminism wasn't that most women stayed home all day, it was that most women had no choice in the matter. There is absolutely nothing wrong with most women being housewives if they are honestly happy to be such.

It's amazing how fast feminists have lost their ideals. It took less than a decade...

 

[Roman Candle]

mothers should receive payment for taking care of their kids

Mothers recieve benefits because they can't bring an income, and because raising a child is extremely expensive. Obviously.

But why can't extreme feminists let women make their own choices?

Because they are extremists, and therefore obviously irrational. Sensible people generally do not become extremists, and therefore few extremeists are likely to have sensible opinions.

 

[RavenTDA]

Well I think the thing about abolishing marriage comes from a long time ago women were considered property. They were pronounced "Man and wife". The wife had duties and all that jazz. So now because the housewife was once a thing of oppression they want to abolish it. Yes some people make this choice but then there are those that THINK they are making a choice when they are not.

If you are raised to believe that you are supposed to be a mother and have X number of kids and so on all your life. You may want to do it but don't realize you've been controled into thinking it. So that's why the extreamists are into abolishing it to eliminate that possiblity.

Is it logical? No because some people actually DO want to do that. Including some men who want to be the one to take care of the kids. I mean I think it's a good thing since daycare and nannies don't really love your kids like you do. But it's all about choice as far as that goes.

The thing is there are still people out there who won't let women be in power. There still needs to be feminists out there that try to strive for equality. That needs to be looked up upon... instead of looking towards the extreamists and hating feminism because it's "crazy".

Extream feminists should really look at themeseves in the mirror because the saddest thing of all is that they've become exactly what they hate.

 

[WeAreSuperhero]

I don't get why there are still feminists around... i mean, is there any field they are still unequal in?

 

[ryanwh]

Only ones that hey shouldnt be but (some)want to anyhow. Like hard labor, etc. Its not sexist to admit women are typically better at taking care of people and men are better at laboring. Its just a fact. Men grow muscle easier, women give birth--we're different. Forcing that equality where it doesnt really exist means eventually special comprimises are made for those "equals" who were there for the sake of equality instead of merit.
But no, there's no real new ground to break in feilds of intellect which varies from person to person and doesnt have an advantage based on gender. Men are still mainly in power because the movement isnt all that old and it takes time to break through what is often business monarchy are business "traditions" keeping sexist and racist policies alive. And that's just how it is, private business can choose to be chovanistic or impartial becuase it's THEIR business. That's the only ground to break, and it shouldnt be broken because private businesses have every right in the world to hire who they want and not to be forced to let someone in who may not even be qualified for some "rainbow coaloition" bullcrap. There has been and always will be descrimination at some places, the difference now is there's no forced nationwide descrimination(back in the day, you might not of been able to hire an immigrant of a certain race, or a woman, even if you wanted to). THAT'S the difference. But I digress.

 

[Roman Candle]

If most people were moderate, then extreme sexism would seem less extreme. However, the presence of people at the opposite extreme shows up how insane they all are. It's a principle the name of which I forget put forward by Plato, Socrates or Aristotle - I forget which. One of them Greek philosoboys, anyway.