Sup

[Onideus Mad Twatter]

Here's some uh...

Spoiler: stuff

http://www.backwater-productions.net/RMXP_CSG/resources/Cell_Phone.png[/img]http://www.backwater-productions.net/RMXP_CSG/resources/Certificate.png[/img]http://www.backwater-productions.net/RMXP_CSG/resources/Diploma.png[/img]http://www.backwater-productions.net/RMXP_CSG/resources/Key.png[/img]http://www.backwater-productions.net/RMXP_CSG/resources/Vial.png[/img]http://www.backwater-productions.net/RMXP_CSG/resources/School_Paper_Graded.png[/img]http://www.backwater-productions.net/RMXP_CSG/resources/Soccor_Ball.png[/img]http://www.backwater-productions.net/RMXP_CSG/resources/Visa.png[/img]

http://www.backwater-productions.net/RM ... achine.png[/img]http://www.backwater-productions.net/RMXP_CSG/resources/Pepsi_Machine.png[/img]http://www.backwater-productions.net/RMXP_CSG/resources/Snack_Machine.png[/img]http://www.backwater-productions.net/RMXP_CSG/resources/Stove.png[/img]http://www.backwater-productions.net/RMXP_CSG/resources/Fridge.png[/img]http://www.backwater-productions.net/RMXP_CSG/resources/Washer.png[/img]

http://www.backwater-productions.net/RM ... ananas.png[/img]http://www.backwater-productions.net/RMXP_CSG/resources/Baby_Food_Carrots.png[/img]http://www.backwater-productions.net/RMXP_CSG/resources/Baby_Food_Grapes.png[/img]http://www.backwater-productions.net/RMXP_CSG/resources/Baby_Food_Meat.png[/img]http://www.backwater-productions.net/RMXP_CSG/resources/Baby_Food_Peas.png[/img]http://www.backwater-productions.net/RMXP_CSG/resources/Baby_Food_Strawberries.png[/img]

Most of it's re-edits from...something else, don't ask me what, at this point I couldn't tell ya.  The 32bit icons are resized/edited from much larger versions that I got off some sample icon site (that makes icons for programs).  Speaking of which, everyone ought to check out Hide's icons:
http://www.pixture.com/icon/index.php
Ya gotta do a bit of conversion, but they're really sweet icons.

The Pepsi and Coke machines are just minor edits to the edges, the snack machine is a width edit, the original was like twice as wide and looked funny.  The stove I made from...stuff, I think part of it was from an pre-XP tileset that I enlarged manually.  The fridge is another minor edit from a portable fridge I believe, the washer I made from...uh, actually I can't remember what I made that from.

The baby food jars use a combination of three graphics, one of Hide's icons (the jar) and then an uber resized Gerber logo and then some resized food icons along with some color alteration and viola, food for teh squirrels.

I've got a bunch of other stuff too I've made that I'll put up later.  My forte is graphic remanipulation, basically I prefer to use existing materials to create new materials rather than working completely from scratch (most of the time, not all of the time).  My skillz in image resizing are unmatched, I use my own custom resizing filters based on the Lanczos algorithm in conjunction with a variety of selection/masking techniques.

For those that are wondering, yeah, I'm the guy who made the sprite generator on Backwater:
http://www.backwater-productions.net/RMXP_CSG/

...and I actually updated it here recently (finally).  I'm hoping to do a lot more updates here soon and I've got some people that have been e-mailing me with a lot of different suggestions and ideas that I plan to implement.

So that's what's new with me right now.  Oh and I bought a house...which is actually part of the reason there aren't more updates already on the sprite generator.  I was planning to have a MASSIVE update by Keeristmas, but the whole process of getting a loan, looking for a house and all the ensuing paperwork, inspections, etc kinda ate up most of my free time.

 

[Samboy]

Well, the top two rows of icons/machines are good. The only problem I have is the jars on the bottom row; there is too much difference between the colors. What's it called again? Oh damn, I can't remember. Ven, help me out here.

 

[Onideus Mad Twatter]

Well, the top two rows of icons/machines are good. The only problem I have is the jars on the bottom row; there is too much difference between the colors. What's it called again? Oh damn, I can't remember. Ven, help me out here.

Contrast?  Yeah, and the jar lids too (the very top bit).  It's an artistic choice though, often I like to combine aspects of photo-realism or semi-photo realism with cartoonish or 4/8/16 bit sprite forms.  I'll put up some alternative versions though for those that want 'em.

Update!
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I could make em like this, still keeping the hard black edge (which I really like):
http://www.backwater-productions.net/RM ... anas_2.png[/img]

 

[Rye]

The site (http://www.pixture.com/icon/index.php) says: "Any changes to the original icons other than necessary format changes are prohibited." And this is for use in a program, which the site even states you need the artist's permission to use in the program.  I don't know if you should be using the jars and editing them like that if the website states that changes, other than format, are prohibited.  In addition, since using them in RMXP is not a website, he states that you need to pay a fee to use them or ask permission of the original artist before hand. So, I don't think you should post the jars.

 

[Onideus Mad Twatter]

The site (http://www.pixture.com/icon/index.php) says: "Any changes to the original icons other than necessary format changes are prohibited." And this is for use in a program, which the site even states you need the artist's permission to use in the program.  I don't know if you should be using the jars and editing them like that if the website states that changes, other than format, are prohibited.  In addition, since using them in RMXP is not a website, he states that you need to pay a fee to use them or ask permission of the original artist before hand. So, I don't think you should post the jars.

I'll invoke the de minimis doctrine here.  ^_^

Fair use laws say I can edit them however the hell I like, if he has a problem with it (which I doubt he would bother) then he has the right to sue me over it (again I doubt he would bother) and to try and claim that the edits don't fall under the de minimis doctrine (good luck with that).

minor update
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Don't you find it the least bit hypocritical that you yourself are taking lyrics from other peoples songs and using them (unedited) as if they're your own?  *shrugs*  People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones, that's all I'm sayin.

 

[Rye]

Yes, but it would be respectful to the original artist who states, in plain english, on the site not to edit.  But I guess being respectful is overrated.  Sorry for feeling artists should be respected, and for bothering you.  Good luck making icons.  I am sorry that I liked those lyrics, and felt they fit the picture, I guess that makes me a horrible person.  I will stop respecting artists and edit their stuff now as well, even if they ask that people do not, just because I can!  If it will make you take down the jars, I will gladly get rid of my signature.  In fact, I think I shall now, because I didn't really think it was hypocritical until now.  I apologize for that.  And also, thank you for reminding me why I distanced myself from this site.

 

[Onideus Mad Twatter]

Yes, but it would be respectful to the original artist who states, in plain english, on the site not to edit.  But I guess being respectful is overrated.  Sorry for feeling artists should be respected, and for bothering you.  Good luck making icons.  I am sorry that I liked those lyrics, and felt they fit the picture, I guess that makes me a horrible person.  I will stop respecting artists and edit their stuff now as well, even if they ask that people do not. 

It goes both ways though, I myself am an artist (don't I deserve this magical respect you preach) and unlike you (who takes material UNEDITED) I actually "make it my own" so to speak.  All art, no matter what the form is derivative of something, that's the reason the de minimis doctrine was made, to cut out the potential for endless bullshite lawsuits.  The original artist may have personal WISHES regarding his work, however he must still operate under the letter of the law and that means giving up certain WISHES in order to publish his work publicly.  Speaking of which I'm sure AFI would never WISH that their song lyrics were stolen in the way that you are doing...the difference is that the law only protects DERIVATIVE works, not outright theft...but then perhaps your magical respect doesn't apply to music artists, only spriters?  *shrugs*

 

[Rye]

OK, I am sorry.  Have fun making icons.  Don't let me deter you. I told you I had not thought of the music thing, so if you attack me for it again, I cannot say anything more.  I have listened to you and taken it to heart, as it had completely slipped my mind.  Again, I apologize for that, and that's all I can do.  I have taken it down, and gladly as well since it is quite old.  Sorry if I am just nice.  I do hope you have fun and achieve what you want with these icons.

 

[Onideus Mad Twatter]

OK, I am sorry.  Have fun making icons.  Don't let me deter you. I told you I had not thought of the music thing, so if you attack me for it again, I cannot say anything more.  I have listened to you and taken it to heart.  Sorry if I am just nice.  I do hope you have fun and achieve what you want with these icons.

It's not my intention to "attack" you, it's my intention to get you to realize that things are never so black and white and often people's best intentions are deeply rooted in hypocrisy, which is why you should be careful when going around passing judgement upon others, for you yourself are just as easily, and just as harshly judged in return.  Judge not lest ye be judged I believe the old saying goes...just some food for thought.  ^_^

PS - If you truly believe that any of my posts thus far have been attackful I would highly recommend growing some thicker skin and learn not to take things so seriously online...or at least be very mindful of what communities you engage with...I've seen people like you before who accidentally stumble into some of the...not so nice parts of the Internet, and often wind up with severe psychological damage due to your perceptions as far as what an "attack" really is.  Again, just a suggestion.

 

[Clizzz]

Judge not lest ye be judged

Gimme 'dat ole time religion ...

This stuff looks pretty good, I like everything (excluding the jars, I don't believe in TOS Infringement). You seem like a pretty professional guy. I'm trying my hand out at Icon spriting myself. Hope you'll be able to give me pointers in the future. PEACE

 

[odanion]

this may have nothing to do with the icon problem but it may help the argument...

my friend had a wallpaper that speaks the truth

(and this is not meant to be hurtful in anyway)

"Arguing on the internet is like running in the special olympics...even if you win, your still a retard"

looking at that I guess I could say is...don't bother fighting over something like this...if you disagree you can say so...but starting an argument just makes multiple people unhappy...

but to keep this ontopic too

very nice icons, I like the look of them

 

[Rye]

People "like me", that's funny.   I'm not taking it personally (I'm really proving that by replying, aren't I? hahaha).  I didn't know any other word to describe it.  And I was not passing judgment on you, I was just informing you since you may not have read it.  Sorry for stepping on your toes.  And I do not think I am fighting, I was just stating my view on it.  But thank you again for making me appear to be a bad person by just wanting to respect the artist.  But, I am a very sarcastic person, so nothing you say really matters to me since it just isn't worth it to be so distressed over.  Sides, it was just my opinion.  Now, I'll go on respecting the artist in a different corner. 

So, again, have fun with your icons.

 

[Samboy]

Christ sake, this thread is about resources, stop arguing, and give some feedback.

 

[Venetia]

Well, the top two rows of icons/machines are good. The only problem I have is the jars on the bottom row; there is too much difference between the colors. What's it called again? Oh damn, I can't remember. Ven, help me out here.

Contrast? :P

The baby food jars are decent but nothing shares a congruent art style. There are some Web2.0-style things, some vending machines from (White Ties?) ... The fridge & stove have poorly-planned palettes, and the baby food jars utilize a typical pixelling style that's different from everything. It's a compilation but I can't really say it goes together as a group.

Also, according to Pixture's usage agreement, it's perfectly fine for these to be displayed on a free site such as RMXP.org. Now it's fine in that he's allowed to post them. It's not his problem concerning what these things are used for. That's why people're allowed to run tobacco shops that sell bongs in America--the proprietors "assume" they won't be used for marijuana :P

 

[Onideus Mad Twatter]

Contrast? :P

The baby food jars are decent but nothing shares a congruent art style. There are some Web2.0-style things, some vending machines from (White Ties?) ... The fridge & stove have poorly-planned palettes,

Poorly planned?  They weren't planned at all, LOL.  The stove definitely needs more color/texture put into it and I need to make it so it has knobs near the top part.  The fridge I think looks pretty good, I might make the right edge of the door less pixilated on the colors, but other than that I don't really think it needs much improvement...unless I wanted to go for a more photo-realistic style, which I generally try to avoid.  The handle I might alter at some point and I'd also like to make some extras for it (fridge magnets, crayon colored looking pictures, etc).

and the baby food jars utilize a typical pixelling style that's different from everything. It's a compilation but I can't really say it goes together as a group.

I meant for it as three groups really (thought that was obvious, but I guess not so much).  Generally the last ones, the baby food jars are the styling I use for icons, which is a derivative style of Hide's.  The stuff in the middle (stove, fridge, pop machines, etc) are the style I use for map/tileset stuff and the stuff at the top is kind of just an experimental icon form.

Also, according to Pixture's usage agreement, it's perfectly fine for these to be displayed on a free site such as RMXP.org. Now it's fine in that he's allowed to post them. It's not his problem concerning what these things are used for. That's why people're allowed to run tobacco shops that sell bongs in America--the proprietors "assume" they won't be used for marijuana :P

Even if the usage agreement stated that it wasn't okay it still wouldn't matter, usage agreements cannot be use to infringe upon others rights under fair use (in the US), if they do, the original copyright holder could in fact be sued for it (rare, but it does happen, usually in a counter suit).  Generally speaking in order for something to fall under the de minimis doctrine you need to edit at least 20% of the original.  Since I'm really only keeping the basic outline form, my edits are nearly 90%+.

 

[___]

The soda and snack machines look pretty slick, I have to say.  I think your second edit of the baby food jars is better than the first - the lower contrast shading gets the "I'm an amorphous mass of vaguely vegetable gunk" point across - and the hard black outline suits them just fine. 
Oh, while I'm on your side about the whole copyright thing, your tone is rather aggressive and probably needlessly defensive.  You need to relax, guy!  Put your feet up!  I got chased out of here once for starting a debate about it in the wrong forum, you want to head over to the symposium for serious discussion on stuff like that anyway.

 

[Venetia]

Indeed. I was simply offering critique. If you don't want resources critiqued then there's not really a point in posting them. We all need to get better . Sharing just for the sake of sharing without getting comments isn't really what this forum is about.

Also, yes, I know about Copyright Law. There is a thread about it (started by me).
http://www.rmxp.org/forums/index.php?topic=26091.0

So let's keep the copyright conversations here to a minimum. Thanks!


Also, yes, the refrigerator is decent, but "realism" can't really be attained in a 32x(<70)pix space using traditional pixelling methods anyway. You may just be referring to the method of using 5+ tones/shades per hue. If you were going for cartoony, then yeah you got it, but it needs to lose the predictable dither on the right and have a little more contrast in the palette. Additionally, the doors need volume--they have no depth.

 

[Onideus Mad Twatter]

The soda and snack machines look pretty slick, I have to say.  I think your second edit of the baby food jars is better than the first - the lower contrast shading gets the "I'm an amorphous mass of vaguely vegetable gunk" point across - and the hard black outline suits them just fine. 
Oh, while I'm on your side about the whole copyright thing, your tone is rather aggressive and probably needlessly defensive.  You need to relax, guy!  Put your feet up!  I got chased out of here once for starting a debate about it in the wrong forum, you want to head over to the symposium for serious discussion on stuff like that anyway.

LOL, that actually is my laid back style, if someone really wants a debate they can head on over to any of the Usenet froups I frequent.  I think it's the difference between Webbie and Netter cultures.  See on Usenet there aren't any real rules, no mods, no censorship of any sort, anything goes, everything does and all of it is permanently archived.  On Usenet there are no ban happy mods to run to when someone suddenly decides to verbally castrate your opinions, you either step the shit up and defend your own, or you run away like a coward (or you whine about it), those are your only real options.  Because of that, Netters tend to have incredibly thick skin, to the point where almost nothing will bother us.  Watch this...

I Matthew Moulton freely admit to being a donkey raping shit eater!

*shrugs*

Means nothing to me, I can even insult myself and other than being able to appreciate the word artistry of the insult, I cannot sum up any effort at all to invest any personal emotions or feelings into the words.  Netters take the Internet with a grain of salt, where as with Webbies, well, generally they often tend to try and treat the Internet like the real world (which most of us Netters find quite perverse to say the least bit).

In any event, here's an updated stove style:
http://www.backwater-productions.net/RM ... tove_2.png[/img]

This one has the light on:
http://www.backwater-productions.net/RM ... tove_3.png[/img]

 

[Venetia]

If you have a thick skin, then: The stove is pillow-shaded. I also count 177 colors on it. So use a palette and refrain from pillow-shading. The burners lack a rim. It's difficult to tell the difference between the lit and non-lit versions. The burners' metal plating is too shiny/looks like fan blades. The handle on the door should be lower. There should be some indication of light reflection on the surface.

I appreciate your large vocabulary and the use of capitalization/punctuation, but it's rather difficult to see around the somewhat haughty airs you're putting on.

RMXP.org is not those other forums. It is heavily-moderated. So being a "netter" or a "webbie" or a "d.r.s.e." means nothing.

 

[Ninjitsu]

w00t a soccer ball!
The scale is weird though.
Thats a really big key...