Suicide, the easy way out?

[Scody]

Today I walk home for lunch like any normal day. I walk back to school, its chaos. A grade 12 student went missing friday night and his body was just found yesterday. Jumped off a bridge. This kid had a life everyone dreams of. Beautiful girlfriend, easily the most popular kid in the school, just received a full basketball scholarship to university and on top of that, is graduating in a month.

Supposedly he had a fight with his girlfriend Friday night at a party. Is this really reason enough to kill yourself? I mean, what possesses a person to do something like that?

 

[Bunnie]

Of course it's not reason enough to kill yourself. But, the majority of people that commit suicide don't just have one little issue that causes them to do something like that. It's highly doubtful that the only thing that was wrong in his life was having a fight with his girlfriend, even though that is how it might have appeared to everyone else.

But, with saying all this, I am in no way condoning what he did, or suicide at all. Who knows, he might have even been clinically depressed or something similar. In either case, it's still a horrible way of going about things. Sorry to hear about his death.

 

[BlueScope]

IMO, suicide is not a way out whatsoever. Okay, I've never... get tempered or however you call it in a way like that because of a girl, and I can't imagine a situation I'd only see the one way to kill myself. Of course, someone will post 'Blue, you maybe live a calm life', what Sovay threw at my head the other day in another argument kinda similar to this one... well, if you believe it or not, I have my problems as well, regardless of my appearance you see from me in here. Whichever problem you pick, I'd consider everything worse than a girlfriend breaking up with me, but of course, I see that there are people mentally more instable than I am, or simply get hit by several things more than I do... which still doesn't make me understand why those people choose to kill theirselves rather than retry... which isn't possible in most cases, but it definately is in the case you mentioned.

 

[Nishi Tetsu]

Is suicide really an easy way out?
I dont think it is. To be able to just end it all regardless of whether or not you belive in something after death or not. Its not something many would be able to do.
As for why people would do it in the first place some do it for "control" over their life, Others need someone they lost so bad that they themself with no way to get that person back lose their will to live, While still others have had so much bad in their life that it outways the good.
Most might think it easy to cut, dround, or jump. But truth be told nothing in life is easy even ending it. Dont hate them for it dont asume why and dont forget them. Just remember them for who they were good or bad.
Otherwise you cheapen the hardship they last faced. To never be able to see anyone they ever cared about again.:'(

 

[Dopples]

I sorta agree with that, but at the same extent, the goal of life is to be able to live on to face the challenges and come out a better person. And if someone can shoot them self in the head (As in they've made up their minds and nothing is gonna stop them), think about what they could've done if they had that determination for something else, like a career.

 

[The Clap]

if your life has really got shitty enough then I can see why, but jumping off a bridge because you had a fight with your gf is : /

 

[Lene]

Well, I'm going to sound (more) like a bitch but, yes I think that suicide is a easy, selfish and cowardly way out of life. If someone thinks their life is bad, well, chances are there is someone else out there in the world who has it worse and they're still on this earth finding a reason to wake up in the morning!

Second of all, few (if any really) people are islands onto themselves. Someone commit suicide will affect someone else, whether it's family, friends, lovers, roommates, acquaintances, whatever. The person committing suicide doesn't have to deal with that aftermath that comes with their decision. Honestly, I think people who do commit suicide either a) don't realize who they're leaving behind or b), they do and they're too self-centered to give a shit.

So this:

Otherwise you cheapen the hardship they last faced. To never be able to see anyone they ever cared about again.

I do not agree with. And hell yeah, I'll cheapen it because suicide, in my opinion, isn't worth shit. If someone considers never being able to see the people they supposedly care about ever again a hardship, well then why the heck is suicide an option?

 

[JakeyZombie]

Well, I'm going to sound (more) like a bitch but, yes I think that suicide is a easy, selfish and cowardly way out of life. If someone thinks their life is bad, well, chances are there is someone else out there in the world who has it worse and they're still on this earth finding a reason to wake up in the morning!

Second of all, few (if any really) people are islands onto themselves. Someone commit suicide will affect someone else, whether it's family, friends, lovers, roommates, acquaintances, whatever. The person committing suicide doesn't have to deal with that aftermath that comes with their decision. Honestly, I think people who do commit suicide either a) don't realize who they're leaving behind or b), they do and they're too self-centered to give a shit.

So this:


I do not agree with. And hell yeah, I'll cheapen it because suicide, in my opinion, isn't worth shit. If someone considers never being able to see the people they supposedly care about ever again a hardship, well then why the heck is suicide an option?

Took the words right from my mouth, I would like to add to the other side of the argument though. How do we know that it was only his girlfriend that attributed to his decision. He could have had family problems, etc, as well. It's not really fair of us to judge him on what he did, it could have been brought on by something selfish and stupid, but on the other hand, there could have been some serious underlying problems not spoken about.

 

[candle]

We don't, and most likely it wasn't. I know som eone woh attempted suicide because she had a lot of problems at home. Her parents had a bad gambling problem, her brother beat her all the time, and she was almost raped by a guy she knew. She was even a cutter for a while. I'm just so glad she didn't go through with it, or I would have lost a great friend.

I also know another girl that said she would kill herself because an ex of hers was being an ass, and she thought she had a chance to get back with him, but blew it. Luckily, she was all talk, and no walk since she still walks the halls of my school.

The thing is that suicide, while being a cowardly way to die, is not easy no matter what anyone says. You sit there for hours contemplating what went wrong with your life. You wonder if there is anything left for you, and, if you are lucky, you'll begin to have doubts about what you were going to do. Once upon a time, I contemplated suicide. As you can see by my presence here, I eventually got beyond that. All I have to do is remember what Shakespere(sp?) once wrote, "Coward die meny times before their deaths."

Suicide is a coward's way out...

(and incase anyone asks, I'm not emo, nor are either of those girls, though one is kind of semi-emo)

 

[JakeyZombie]

(and incase anyone asks, I'm not emo, nor are either of those girls, though one is kind of semi-emo)

This is the symposium, things like labels and subcultures don't belong in here. This is a serious discussion on suicide, and I find the fact that you would even bring that to the table so offensive. Suicide has nothing to do with style or subculture, it has to do with emotion.

 

[Scody]

we're still waiting for more information at the school. I'm sure sometime this week we will have some kind of assembly to honour him and to let everyone know what happened. Right now its eerily silent in the hall ways. Right now im feeling mixed emotions. I can't help but feel sad for the whole situation, but at the same time raged at the thought of what he did to his family, his girlfriend and the whole school.

 

[candle]

This is the symposium, things like labels and subcultures don't belong in here. This is a serious discussion on suicide, and I find the fact that you would even bring that to the table so offensive. Suicide has nothing to do with style or subculture, it has to do with emotion.

And stereotypes don't? Believe it or not, stereotypes have a lot to do with emotion. And some people suicide because of stereotpes. And if you think I'm not serious about this topic, I suggest you go back and read the rest of my post.

 

[Roman Candle]

No one has any right to decide who is and isn't a coward based on their suicide. Perhaps you underestimate just how hard it is to actually kill yourself. It's not an easy option. Have you ever been scared of anything? Have you ever run from a gang, or a dog? Would you hesitate to go skydiving, or bungy jumping? Ok, so now think that if you ever do that, you pretty much know that you're going to be fine, in the end. Think what it feels like to stand on an overpass, and jump off, and know that you're not going to be fine. What kind of a state do you have to be in to do that?

What do you want to say? "He killed himself, he was so selfish, because he made me feel bad"? That's not hippocracy at all. Do they make you feel so bad that you actually try to kill yourself?

People don't commit suicide because something bad happens. It's about how they feel at any one time, and if someone actually commits suicide, then you can take it for granted that they weren't in a stable mental state. I'm sure he didn't weigh it up in his mind and logically decide, "Yes, suicide is certainly the best option in this circumstance". So, with this case as an example, he almost certainly didn't commit suicide because he had a fight with his girlfriend: that might of been a trigger, or pushed him over the edge, but the decider is whether your state of mind rocks onto that edge or not. If you get to that place, then it seems right to do it. If you don't experience that, then you don't kill yourself, (not for reasons like this, anyway). Also, it seems sensible to consider the idea that he had a fight with his girlfriend because he'd become unbalenced, not the other way round.

In the end, no one can understand what it's like to be in someone else's position, especially not someone suicidal. You might have had much worse happen to you, but it's how you feel that makes the difference, and often that's got no relation to what your like's like.

One last thought: It's much rarer for a boy to commit suicide, (it's a statistic, don't hit me), and it almost always means that they are in a really, really bad way. I'm not saying that is without doubt the case here, but it's quite unlikely that he just had bad day.

 

[Andy6000]

And stereotypes don't? Believe it or not, stereotypes have a lot to do with emotion. And some people suicide because of stereotpes. And if you think I'm not serious about this topic, I suggest you go back and read the rest of my post.

Don't get into a small little petty argument. Stereotypes have plenty to do with suicide. But what you said wasn't really relevant so much as a strong implication that kids that fall into the emo sub-culture are suicide prone, or something else offensive that might be better understood by one a little more in touch with that particular trend.

Suicide's a viable choice at times, when overall you contribute nothing to society, and if people will mourn, they'll get over it and your worthless life will stop dragging everyone else's down. Other than that, the whole 'fucking up your friends and family' thing kind of does make it a selfish thing to do, since it's really just, "I can't deal with this shit."

 

[Lene]

Roman Candle- See, the thing is that the attractive quality of suicide is the "I don't have to deal with this crap anymore". Everything that is plaguing someone in life, will cease once they kill themselves.

Why would someone kill themselves to escape to somewhere worse? It doesn't make sense.

Honestly, I think that enduring is a lot braver and a lot harder than just giving up. Which basically what suicide is: quitting life.

"He killed himself, he was so selfish, because he made me feel bad"?

It's not only about feelings. A death can drastically change someone else's entire lifestyle.

 

[Rhazdel]

Why would someone kill themselves to escape to somewhere worse? It doesn't make sense.

Some people would rather not exist than continue to suffer. The absence of life is the absence of pain, and to some people, all they see is pain.

I am in no way condoning suicide, but people that do commit suicide are usually in a very unbalanced mental state and they see suicide as their only valid option out.

 

[Roman Candle]

Actually, many people who commit suicide do so because they believe it is better for the people around them.

I think you've hit it right on the head. It doesn't make sense. In cases like this, circumstances often aren't that bad at all. It just goes to show that they aren't thinking clearly. If you've ever been at all depressed, you'll know what it's like to lose the ability to objectively judge your situation. Suicide isn't a rational decision. It's not like running away, or robbing a bank, or moving house.

Why would someone kill themselves to escape to somewhere worse?

I'm not sure exactly what you mean by this, but it just emphasises the point, that you can't judge what someone's internal world is like by observing their surroundings. Clearly, they feel that life is worse than death.

 

[Shadow_Strike]

Being tormented emotionally/physically for your life, or death?
Many, even me, will choose death.

It is often the little constant nag, the bite that disassembles you bite by bite that drives to suicide. Not a one-night fight with your girlfriend.

Its the straw that breaks the camels back, and for those who are saying that he is crazy to have killed himself over the fight, you're basically blaming that one piece of straw and nothing else.

People kill themselves to escape to somewhere better.

they see suicide as their only valid option out.

No, they see MANY options out, it is simply the most convienent and hassle-free. Instead of dealing with years and years of red-tape and court hearings for some people, or a crappy life-style with his wife, children... etc, affairs and going down a wrong road. It is simply easier to /quit than to press restart.

Other than that, the whole 'fucking up your friends and family' thing kind of does make it a selfish thing to do, since it's really just, "I can't deal with this shit."

Does it really matter? You don't take a bath to please your neighbor, you do it for yourself. You don't eat to make your friend happy, you eat to make yoruself content, and you certainly don't kill yourself to make your friends and family happy, you kill yourself to make it end. It is merely the consequence that you deem selfish. If you didn't care for a man's death, would you call him selfish?
Some guy who skims the paper will read: Local man commits suicide, and won't even think about him being selfish, just unfortunate.

On a note, maybe everyone else was selfish and didn't bother helping him out.

 

[Andy6000]

Does it really matter? You don't take a bath to please your neighbor, you do it for yourself. You don't eat to make your friend happy, you eat to make yoruself content, and you certainly don't kill yourself to make your friends and family happy, you kill yourself to make it end. It is merely the consequence that you deem selfish. If you didn't care for a man's death, would you call him selfish? Some guy who skims the paper will read: Local man commits suicide, and won't even think about him being selfish, just unfortunate.

On a note, maybe everyone else was selfish and didn't bother helping him out.

If you can't see the repercussions of your actions at all, I suppose you're not quite sane enough to be held accountable for your actions anyways. Committing suicide isn't hurting the neighbor more than him being surprised with the whole, "he used to be such a nice boy," but it IS hurting your family/friends/people who care about you.

The basic reasoning of a suicide is 'escape from life', but honestly, being so short-sighted as to not care or even consider the repercussions of your actions is ludicrous. I know the way to my work like the back of my hand, that doesn't mean I drive with my eyes closed.

 

[Grandor]

Suicide is a permanent fix to a temporary problem. Whatever may be going on in the persons life can be corrected if approached the right way. Personally I view it as a method of escape, because all worries and burdens are lifted but as I said those burdens and worries are probably only temporary. However, peoples mental state can have a lot to do with it. Your mind affects your thoughts, emotions, feelings and everything else you experience. As a result if some chemicals should change even if your life is going grand, you can be depressed enough to take your own life. I've had family members commit suicide so I wouldn't dare speak of them and against what they did. They could have done it differently, but I don't abhor them for choosing the way they did. Talking it out though may have helped. Sometimes you need to hear your appreciated once in a while to clear those thoughts which I'm sure everyone has probably had at one times in their life to a certain degree and extent.

My thought on this whole matter is, you shouldn't be forced to live. If you don't want to be here no one should be forcing you to stay here. No one wants to come into this world, but then we grow to appreciate the fact that we were brought here. And then their is some that don't. People who take their own lives think they are isolated and that no one cares about them. They think that it wouldn't make a difference whether they shed their blood or not. However, it really is their families and friends that suffer after they kill themselves. Imagine your own mother outliving her son. Think of how she must feel? People who are depressed put away these thoughts of the future and only focus on this isolation factor believing that no one understands. The situation may not even be that bad. It takes courage to kill yourself, but it takes real bravery to continue living.