arcthemonkey
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Nphyx;215917 said:
That has absolutely no bearing on the topic at hand...
Roman Catholicism - Christian Church or cult?
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That has absolutely no bearing on the topic at hand...
Same as ccoa. I can assure you, I do believe Jesus atoned for all sin by his sacrifice!ccoa;213951 said:
Grandor: I agree with what you're saying, although where you said
Isn't that what quite a lot of Christians believe? There's another topic about this though, so I don't think we should discuss it here...
arcthemonkey
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If your church teaches salvation by grace, that's awesome, but they are certainly teaching against the Roman Catholic Catechism and the Canon of the Council of Trent.
I already said earlier that many churches have different teachings, but based on what is in in the Catechism and the Canons, they aren't true to Roman Catholicism.
As it says in the Canon:
"If any one shall say that justifying faith is nothing else than confidence in the divine mercy pardoning sins for Christ's sake, or that it is that confidence alone by which we are justified ... let him be accursed,"
I already said earlier that many churches have different teachings, but based on what is in in the Catechism and the Canons, they aren't true to Roman Catholicism.
As it says in the Canon:
"If any one shall say that justifying faith is nothing else than confidence in the divine mercy pardoning sins for Christ's sake, or that it is that confidence alone by which we are justified ... let him be accursed,"
I do not think it is a cult, but I think that some catholics aren't Christians, in the same way that many protestants aren't Christians. However, any worship of saints or mary is the same as idolatry. Bishops, Saints, Cardinals, Popes, and whatever are the same as any other person. While they are obviously (in most cases) very good people, they are the same as us.
There is where your wrong. Christianity is not a religion! Catholicism is a deformation of christianity as is Lutheran and Mormon and shit like that! Buddhism is just plain... pointless... Can't we just make it simple and say we believe in God, and we will either live for him or not. Simple choice.
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re-li-gion /rɪˈlɪdʒən/
–noun
1. a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, esp. when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.
2. a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects: the Christian religion; the Buddhist religion.
3. the body of persons adhering to a particular set of beliefs and practices: a world council of religions.
4. the life or state of a monk, nun, etc.: to enter religion.
5. the practice of religious beliefs; ritual observance of faith.
6. something one believes in and follows devotedly; a point or matter of ethics or conscience: to make a religion of fighting prejudice.
Catholicism meets all requirements of what a religion is. It may be a detour from what was - but so have most of todays Christian faiths after all. Almost all faiths God or other god or godless that stand today are rarely what they were originally.
And since I'm here... no Buddhism isn't pointless. It's about as pointless as any religion - and that means it's as equally vital to people's lives and well being as all the rest - including atheism. Even including a belief like mine, which is undecided if there even is a god, and if it's anything more than just a dull breeze pollinating the fields - and frankly doesn't really care.
Not to mention no one religion or limb on the big Christ tree alone has yet to be able to agree upon itself on how to live for Him (notice the capitol H - heh), let alone be able to get everyone else to agree with them. The simplest thing would be to let people believe what they want - more heaven for you if you're right - and not attempt to push or shoot down other's faiths. That's just a waist of effort.
–noun
1. a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, esp. when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.
2. a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects: the Christian religion; the Buddhist religion.
3. the body of persons adhering to a particular set of beliefs and practices: a world council of religions.
4. the life or state of a monk, nun, etc.: to enter religion.
5. the practice of religious beliefs; ritual observance of faith.
6. something one believes in and follows devotedly; a point or matter of ethics or conscience: to make a religion of fighting prejudice.
Catholicism meets all requirements of what a religion is. It may be a detour from what was - but so have most of todays Christian faiths after all. Almost all faiths God or other god or godless that stand today are rarely what they were originally.
And since I'm here... no Buddhism isn't pointless. It's about as pointless as any religion - and that means it's as equally vital to people's lives and well being as all the rest - including atheism. Even including a belief like mine, which is undecided if there even is a god, and if it's anything more than just a dull breeze pollinating the fields - and frankly doesn't really care.
Not to mention no one religion or limb on the big Christ tree alone has yet to be able to agree upon itself on how to live for Him (notice the capitol H - heh), let alone be able to get everyone else to agree with them. The simplest thing would be to let people believe what they want - more heaven for you if you're right - and not attempt to push or shoot down other's faiths. That's just a waist of effort.
Ah yes, back to this topic again then, it's been a while.
In regards to Arc's claim that the Roman Catholic Church does not point to Jesus as the Saviour, your interpretation is incorrect. However, the site http://www.gotquestions.org/catholicism.html claims that:
Despite this, no matter what the Church teaches, it also claims a faith in Christ is enough for Salvation:
What sort of Christian are you? Lutheranism is considered one of the more evangelical branches of Christianity. I would recommend that you elucidate yourself a little more. Christianity is not a religion? So what is it, the "true faith?" There isn't any evidence to suggest so. (And don't forget, I consider myself a Christian.)Torik;247007 said:
In regards to Arc's claim that the Roman Catholic Church does not point to Jesus as the Saviour, your interpretation is incorrect. However, the site http://www.gotquestions.org/catholicism.html claims that:
Despite this, no matter what the Church teaches, it also claims a faith in Christ is enough for Salvation:
This I agree with. Whether one particular religion is right or not, they are (mostly) useful moral guidelines, and gives some people an air of fulfillment and achievement.sixtyandaquarter;247048 said:
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arcthemonkey;218064 said:
I say again, while individual Roman Catholic churches may teach that faith alone is sufficient, it goes against the Catechism and the Canon. If it doesn't adhere to the Catechism and the Canon, I don't think it's entirely appropriate to call it Roman Catholic. The Catechism and the Canon is the official doctrine of the Roman Catholic church. Unofficially they may teach that faith is enough, but the Canon of the Catholic church declares anathema on them for doing so. The official doctrine literally declares that they should be excommunicated from the Catholic Church for teaching these things.
So yes, a Roman Catholic may well be saved, and his church may well be teaching the true path to salvation, but they are not teaching Roman Catholic doctrine by doing so.