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Quran burning: is mass media to blame for backlash?

NOTE: This isn't a debate on religion or 9-11 -- shut up your face


Recently, a number of dicks in north Florida (lolflorida) have come forward with their plans to be giant xenophobe dicks in a symbolic dickgesture:

Church plans Quran-burning event
http://articles.cnn.com/2010-07-29/us/f ... r?_s=PM:US

Pastor weighing plans to burn Qurans amid U.S. warnings
http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/09/07/florid ... index.html

Important Excerpts:

CNN":20ynnbzr said:
In protest of what it calls a religion "of the devil," a nondenominational church in Gainesville, Florida, plans to host an "International Burn a Quran Day" on the ninth anniversary of the September 11, 2001, attacks.

The Dove World Outreach Center says it is hosting the event to remember 9/11 victims and take a stand against Islam. With promotions on its website and Facebook page, it invites Christians to burn the Muslim holy book at the church from 6 p.m. to 9 p.m.
CNN":20ynnbzr said:
Muslims and many other Christians -- including some evangelicals -- are fighting the initiative.
CNN":20ynnbzr said:
Targeting another group it calls "godless," the Dove center is also hosting a protest against Gainesville Mayor Craig Lowe, who is openly gay, on Monday at Gainesville's City Hall. The group previously fought -- unsuccessfully -- to derail Lowe's election campaign.
CNN":20ynnbzr said:
The U.S. Embassy in Kabul on Tuesday issued a statement saying the U.S. government "in no way condones such acts of disrespect against the religion of Islam, and is deeply concerned about deliberate attempts to offend members of religious or ethnic groups." It emphasized that it strongly condemned "the offensive messages, which are contrary to U.S. government policy and deeply offensive to Muslims especially during the month of Ramadan."
CNN":20ynnbzr said:
Gen. David Petraeus, the commander in Afghanistan, said the burning of Islam's holy books "could cause significant problems" for American troops overseas.

[...]

[...] Petraeus warned that burning Qurans "is precisely the kind of action the Taliban uses and could cause significant problems -- not just here, but everywhere in the world we are engaged with the Islamic community."

[...]

"Even the rumor that [the Quran burning] might take place has sparked demonstrations such as the one that took place in Kabul yesterday," he said. "Were the actual burning to take place, the safety of our soldiers and civilians would be put in jeopardy and accomplishment of the mission would be made more difficult."

He said extremists would use images of burning Qurans to inflame public opinion and incite violence.
CNN":20ynnbzr said:
"Our message is very clear," [Jones] said. "It is not to the moderate Muslim. Our message is not a message of hate. Our message is a message of warning to the radical element of Islam, and I think what we see right now around the globe provides exactly what we're talking about," he said.

[...]

"We need to speak up against sin and call the people to repentance. Abortion is murder. Homosexuality is sin. We need to call these things what they are and bring the world the true message: that Jesus is the way, the truth, and the life," it says on the church's website.
CNN":20ynnbzr said:
Commenting the other day on Jones' critique of Islam, Plemon el-Amin, the imam of an Atlanta, Georgia mosque, said that his words are "really quite uninformed."

"But in America, there is the freedom to be ignorant," el-Amin said. [...]

El-Amin said Jones has boasted of never reading the Quran, so, "He doesn't know that he's going to burn a book that has some of the most beautiful passages about Christ Jesus throughout, as well as Moses, Abraham and all of the prophets he reads about and says he follows in the Bible." But he said the best strategy would be to ignore Jones, "like we do people on corners saying the end of the world is coming."


AND SO

This may turn out to be a rather insignificant event. And, if it'd happened 20 years ago, no one would have even known about it.

But thanks to a load of mass-media attention focused on it, this ragtag group of retards in the boonies with painted plywood signs and an obstinate ignorance of Jesus's ideal to "turn the other cheek", may become a pariah-figure to instigate further hateful incitement between religious groups.

So the question here is: Should mass media censor itself?
When a story comes forth that would otherwise have never been more than a footnote in a redneck's diary--but is inflamed to international proportions--should mass media be blamed for the backlash?


I Opine For Thee

Freedom of speech is incredibly important--especially in an age where "net neutrality" and personal opinion are of utmost concern (and constantly threatened). No matter how abysmal/retarded/uneducated/etc a person or group's beliefs, they should be allowed to have them. And demonstrate them--so long as the act's not harming someone else's basic rights.

But IMO the huge media coverage of this story is an example of extremism in itself. If a story threatens a massive backlash or outcry -- and, in this case, it's pretty obvious that it would -- it is in incredibly bad taste to make it a headliner. It allows opposing groups to have their say, but no one in the middle east will ever know about the peace rally held the day before, all they will see are the hateful images of rednecks with golden crosses on necklaces, burning their holy book.

I understand that media itself is a business, and like any business, it should be free to pursue marketable material in any way it needs to. But headline coverage of certain stories will only make them worse, and these news groups need to understand what kind of dangerous power they hold over the sheep-minded in the world, and regulate themselves to avoid stoking the embers.

For instance, if MSNBC were to track down and headline every KKK meeting, how do you think that would affect racial tension? The solid focus would simply heat up the ire between minorities and whites. The KKK'd inevitably get more supporters, and the division between races would deepen. Sure, some groups of whites would protest the KKK, but in the end no one would notice the movements for tolerance ... Even bad publicity is good publicity to some.

Now, you chime in.
 
I say it is completely fine so long as opposition can hold a burn the bible day with absolutely no consequences.

Seeing as that's not the case, it's completely wrong.

Jesus Christ (/Oh Mohammed!), stick to your own religions without pissing and moaning about other people's!
 
but that's not the debate--it's about mass media. If mass media published a shitload of headline stories showing imagery of muslims burning bibles, it'd incite the same kind of hate. We've all seen them burning western countries' flags, not even headlined or focused on, and it's caused us to hate muslims to the point that we protest mosques and beat up people based on their looking somewhat middle-eastern ...

But let's say you love the holy freaking shit out of dogs. You're in the ASPCA, you own 4 of them, you volunteer in a no-kill shelter. Then you are absolutely relentlessly bombarded by stories and images showing a group of people wantonly hanging puppies on an overpass in a protest because a pitbull bit a baby.
You're going to get pissed if you happen to hear about it, but you'll be INCENSED BEYOND BELIEF if you hear about it CONSTANTLY and the media is saturated with images of it ...

If you go out and burn down one of the protestors' houses--sure, you're to blame for the arson, and you can blame the protestors for doing something to incite such rage--but shouldn't the media be held somewhat accountable for sensationalizing something that would understandably drive someone to that point?
 
Well, they do have editors for this reason. The only thing I can think of that is the editors must clearly have views they want expressed if they let that sort of article go. It's half giving people the stories they want to hear, but here in the UK at least every paper has a political stance and a stance on every major issue going on. None of the papers are unbiased because in the end one person is controlling what gets cut and what doesn't.

There was an article in my local this week: "Gypsies invade local field".

Someone commented on this, saying that since there was no evidence for either site and the police were still trying to work out if they had permission, "invade" is a VERY strong word and very provocative. One would read the article immediately with the assumption that the gypsies were in the wrong, when it's possible the people who reported the "invasion" (who mentioned their lovely views being wruined) didn't know the full story.

Very good book: Ben Goldacre, Bad Science. I know I whore it everywhere but it has a section on the media which is a very good read.

I don't think anything should ever be censored. That unfortunately comes with costs - and one of those costs is that people believe the silliest of things. It's just unfortunate people can't make their own decisions and don't just read press releases rather than the articles written from them.
 

Spoo

Sponsor

CNN should just back off; I'm not supporting slander, disrespect or anything against Islanm, it's just that so many worse things happen in the world daily that this isn't really that major.

mouse has it right; we all need to stfu, stop killing each other and get back to life.
 
Personally I would like to see a newspaper website set up that just links to press reports. We aren't stupid, we can understand what people say for ourselves without a journalist rewording it and/or adding their own opinions.

Personally I like wikinews but even that is rewrites off press releases.
 
Am I weird for seeing all of this and seeing real similarities going on on hbgames/other sites on the Internet? Everything fits so well.

That is, if you replace muslim with medof and quran with hbgames.org.
olivia
 

alexis

Sponsor

i definitely think the media should repress shit like this, but unfortunately propaganda sells at a high price.
influenced by the dollar sign, etc

also i'm a firm believer that fox news reports all this shit on islam just to make conservatives wet and justify their hard-ons for blatant sexism/racism/what-have-you
 

Lyric

Member

I don't blame the mass media. I blame the people ignorant enough to support it. The media only produces what it knows their viewers/readers/listeners want to see/read/hear. It highlights the stories that will grab the most attention.
 

Zeriab

Sponsor

It's a pretty smart move of Al-Qaeda. (Or another anti-American movement)

I mean, it makes perfect sense if you look at it that way.
It highlights an interesting aspect of how the mass-media can be used.

Of course it may just be some really stupid people
 
hard to believe that they believe that they're the closest to jesus but whatever

I don't think general media's the greatest factor in the spread of this- there's the internet, where it would be facebook'd and blogged all over. I didn't even hear about this till this topic, so yeah. Media's a rather important factor, yeah.

On the other hand, i'm sorta suprised this quran burning thing hasn't been majorly brought up before- and if such an idea has occured, then i think it'll prove that current media is quite important in its spread.
 
It's led to major protests in the countries affected (well, you know what I mean, blanket raccist statement to cover the fact I'm drunk) and unfortunately unlike the US that will and has led to DEATHS.
 
They canceled the burning lol. The guy behind it rattled off some strange reason involving an emam and the 9/11 mosque building site deal. idgi but lol. I'm glad i don't have to hear about the stupid shit that would inevitably erupt from it
 

Star

Sponsor

mouse":1xjvj6vl said:
I say it is completely fine so long as opposition can hold a burn the bible day with absolutely no consequences.

Seeing as that's not the case, it's completely wrong.

Jesus Christ (/Oh Mohammed!), stick to your own religions without pissing and moaning about other people's!
I'd say let them burn them. It's not like they won't turn around and just burn Bibles. Does it even matter anyway, it might be the word of God but it is a piece of paper. The real word of god is also not easily deciphered. How you read or interpret them is a little different for everyone.

I don't think people would be too upset if they just built the thing a little farther away from ground zero. That's the whole reason the church is doing that or they simply just wouldn't have a reason.

I think America has gone far too soft and a lot of people commenting aren't really American's so does your view in our country really matter?
 

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