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Ok, pretend you don't know who the author is, just try to analyse the music impartially. i wont even answer to any critic, so you can say wathever you want, even if your lying or you feel bad today, it doesnt matter. of course, i hope you give me your honest opinion. you cannot use this song in any game yet, as it will be improved later, and i wont give permission. its also the last time i post something for resource analysis, cuz i really shouldnt be doing this, but i need feedback from u guys on this one.
hey dont get me worng i said id listen to anything i just wont answer not to react badly ok? no hard feelings by critic, i meant opinin, positive or negative!
Damn people misunderstood what I said (I wasn't very clear with words too) and now noone's answering...
While you were telling us that you wouldn't listen to criticism, you forgot to post the link to the song itself. Good going.
THERE ya go.
I think that you should sustain the piano notes in the background a bit longer. As it stands they have an almost comical bouncing quality to them. The same goes for a few different instruments throughout the song, actually. There's a place after the violin comes in for the first time where you make a mistake with your timing and things suddenly become rushed and arrhythmic for a quarter of a bar.
Personally, I just wish you introduced the main phrase of the song a little earlier. That piano backtune is too little to sustain the song on its own for so long, and I had almost lost interest by the time the main phrase came into play. I loved the main phrase, at least for the first little while -- my only suggestion is, again, to sustain the piano notes for a little longer. However, the way you have it set up, it's almost like listening to two different songs, one transitioning into the other. Just make things pick up quicker and we'll see how that sounds.
The violins in the latter part of the main phrase sound a little clumsy, like they're pre-empting the main beat by a couple microseconds. I'm not sure what to do there, but just keep that in mind when you're going through and editing this.
By the way, which bass sound are you using? Is it soundfont or VST, or were you using a MIDI sequencer for this? Would it be too much to give an atrocity a link to it so I could use it meself? :3
ok, ill answer...
my opinion about ur opinion: i think sustaining the notes wouldn't make much of a difference, its just a little echo... also they dnt seem that comical to me, maybe its a more personal thing. there is also not a part i find arrhytmic and i like the long intro it might get boring if you are listening to the song and expect more variety but it'll be cool ina game, in my opinion
i think i only used sytrus presets plus fl keys(i used fl studio). the bass is sytrus preset called electric. i use it both as a really low pitched bass and in the main melody along with the piano.
thanks for answering!
I agree with the notes sounding too bouncy, if it's for a villain (I assume it is, due to the title "villain") it's expected to be a little darker. You can do a bounce and still have it be dark, but it has to be very staccato. The violin sound also seems to be very alien - I'll assume you're doing a sci-fi game. I like the whole of it around 0:54, but the drum sounds too tinny and out of place. The cello/bass also has a nice melody to it. I like the main melody that comes through, but the song itself has no flow and sounds very disjointed to me.
hey try listening wit headphones then tell me if u still detect those mistakes ok? cuz i use headphones and i still havent heard the music without em, n rite now i cant. because it all seems alrite to me maybe thats the prob...
Ok, I'm going to give you my honest critique and keep in mind that this is MY opinion and in the end it is up to you how the song comes out so don't be so offended.
I really do like the first half of the song, and other than the fact I would choose a few different instruments, it sounds cool and portrays that feeling of a villain, which I assume is what its about since that is the title of it. However when it kicks into the second part, it sounds a little too techno-esque to fit with the first part. On its own, it sounds good, but thrown together with the other part, it kind of shifts the mood a little too drastically.
I also agree with Chimmy Ray about the piano during the first part. My suggestion to you is keep it how it is going for awhile until another instrument kicks in, maybe the choir, and change it up a bit.
Just remember, you are always going to have people who don't like your songs, you can't please everyone, but just take it in stride and maybe work on the song a little bit through their suggestions. You never know, you may end up liking it even more yourself!
Um, wow, way to ignore criticism, dude. Everything I say is as objective as I can make it, and I genuinely got bored with how slowly the song progressed at the beginning. As the song's creator, you come with a pre-programmed positive bias towards your work. Opinions should generally not be taken to override other opinions, especially the opinions of someone who as a conflict of interest.
At least try things out according to the criticism in this thread. A little work can really improve a song.
Oh I see I was late to the party and you're simply jealous of Arcanum's music.
Wow, you sure did disguise that well.
The funniest thing was how you acted like he was trying to rip final fantasy off when the first second I saw your song it sounded like a Kuja / Sephiroth wannabe clone. Yet yours looks awesome. This song didn't look good at all actually. Why does it become a trance song at the end?
i didnt acuse that arcanum guy of ripping ff music off, i said it looked too much like final fantasy 12 music, and i hated that game's music and the game itself, so i didn't like the music. but i like ff 7 and 9, and their music. i am actually taking critics i just say i don't agree with them cuz they dont seem that way to me and i already suggested listening with heaphones as i did to see(hear) if it sounds better. im sorry my music doesnt look like NES or SNES music or if it's not orchestral.
Why do you keep saying that music "looks" like something? I thought music "sounds" like stuff, not "looks" like. Oh, well.
I agree with everyone else: the first half is fine, albeit it still sounds like a typical villain's song. Then suddenly it changes theme halfway through and becomes utter shit.
Now get off your high horse and stop calling other peoples' music shit. Your music isn't even that good.
I was going to say something along the lines of this.
I would give a better review of this, but you shat all over my last one and bawwwed like a bitch so ill be straight forward: I dont like this very much.
The beggining is ok but like everyone has been saying, the middle gets rough and downright unfreindly to the ears.
Try not to variate things so much. And before you say this is "innovative", ITS NOT.
i wont even answer to any critic, so you can say wathever you want, even if your lying or you feel bad today, it doesnt matter.
Which is like, you keep saying everyones music sounds like this. And im not bashing you here, youre taking crits decently in this thread, but the fact that you go out of your way to TALK SHIT is very immature and disrespectful.
I have nothing left to say, or spam for that matter.
see? i dont do anything wrong and look at this thread! my first sentence was to avoid any "contradiction, not to cause it as it did. i said i would answer to any critic, and i meant that would be my only post in this thread, because if i replied i didnt angree with some opinion everyone would get angry. and by "critic", i meant any opinion, any post of someone else but not me, good or bad. sorry, maybe i should have said "opinion", that word wouldnt have caused controversy, but im not english! which leads to everyone being crazy about me saying "this music looks like something". come one you react like i destroyed the world when i say that normal mistake. in my language, the word is the same for "looks" and "sounds", it's like "seems", and there is no other word, but i did a gramatical mistake cuz im not english, please dont kill me. i wanna hear ur italian, then we'll compare, ok?
besides i reacted well to all the critics decent people made to this music, and i thank them.
Wading through the piles of crap above my post with eyes closed and nose plugged...
The leading melody is too random...you expect it to hit off on an evil note, but the melody just keeps going..and going. And then the whole song just changes rhythm, and melody becomes weak. Besides that, there is little to no harmony.
Then I hear a piano, which doesn't have a bad melody, but it doesn't sound villain-like at all.
Mainly, its the fact that your song switches up SO much and doesn't remain consistent, therefore disallowing the listener to assign the tune and theme of said character TO that character. Why? Because they can't remember what your song sounds like as there is TOO much change in such a short period of time.
Try giving your song three (or four) parts. A, B, C (and D).
A is the first part, obviously. it should have your lead, the introduction which hooks the listeners and allows them to recognize the theme as SOON as the song begins.
B can be anything, but in this case we'll say its your main melody after the introduction. We want to turn off A and let B play, so A can take a rest and not bore the listeners with the same melody over and over.
After that, try A again. But this time, mix in a little bit of B. Make sure it sounds good and works in harmony with one sound not clashing with the other.
Then, depending on the song, you can either calm things down for a moment or heaten the song up with a little more variety. This is C. This is the song's trump card, the climax of the song where the melody is its juiciest. This should be what players look foward to while enjoying the rest of the song. After C dies down and your listeners are amazed, wrap up the song with B or A again.
I guess this is an okay example. Notice how the song doesnt change up TOO much, and is consistent.
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Bottom F****** Line: [Don't read if you don't want me to be honest. But don't cry about it, either.]
I don't see any room for improvement in this song until you actually put a little effort into your work. This is an abomination, quite basically the butchering of music. It's chaotic and has no order what-so-ever. I don't consider you a musician by any means. Go learn some basics, you desperately need the fundamentals if you ever have any hopes of becoming competent enough to string together a series of notes tangible for any emotional or situational reactions.
He's not decided to post unconstructive shit on an Italian RMXP forum thread though, has he? If he was, I for one would tell Moogle Sprite to ensure he brushed up on his Italian verbs before doing so.
Guys, can we keep the drama to a minimum? That means you too, shownomercy77. Any further shitstorming in here and warns'll be tossed around for flaming and spam.
We don't need two threads with people shouting at each other for what went on somewhere else.
Karasawa , thanks a lot for your good very constructive critic. i'll take your advice. it's good to know there are some decent people in this site still. yeah the next people can come with the "ur not decent thing", if they want. thanks a lot, thats what i want in here, contructive critics. not feeding discussion like some gay lord out there.
in case your are eager to attack me with my "in this site still" quote, let me just put your hopes down by saying i did it on purpose. oh and, gaylord, i really didnt understand you comment, but if you want to say it in italian ill be glad to listen. sorry u americans rule the internet.
sorry, did i say listen? oh sorry, please dont kill me. i meant "read", sorry, please dont cry.
