Ninja Vasectomies and the Elusive Male Pill

[Whiskey Dick]

People will tell you that if you get "fixed", you have to tell your woman before marrying them.  Apparently some say a woman can even sue for damages.  Morally, it makes sense that you should have to fess up if you aren't making with the baby batter.  But legally? 

Women get the pill.  Do they have to tell men that they are taking it?  What if they refuse?  Supposedly there is a male contraceptive in the works but it's still a few years down the road.

What can we do (Besides back/hair shots)?  MEN CAN'T THROW THEMSELVES DOWN THE STAIRS and Dr. Wang says that it will be at least 5 years until it is approved by the FDA!

 

[sixtyandaquarter]

What is this a debate on men's suffrage?  What is the debate?  A pill and the fact that men have to say "Honey I'm never giving you a child :D"?

 

[Whiskey Dick]

I don't even know anymore.

 

[Marcus]

I think if you truly love your partner enough to actually marry them then the topic should have been brought up long ago.  People shouldn't commit their lives without knowing each other inside and out; if you can't write a fucking book on the person you're going to marry then you shouldn't marry them.  Simple as that.

If I was fixed, I'd probably mention it the first time we have sex or even just in casual conversation.  If a woman had her tubes tied I'd expect the same information.

 

[FlippyD]

But we all know women is a buncha liars, arr! They be not needin' to tell nobody nothin', always castin' blame upon the men. The question is, can a woman be sued for gettin' her tubes tied and not tellin' her spouse? I think I saw it in a Tyler Perry movie and the bitch dun' almost got away with it.

 

[Venetia]

How can a marriage ever work out if you don't talk to each other about your thoughts on having children anyway ...?

Dumbass people

Hey, if we let gay people get married, then they'll probably have a much higher success rate than the hetero's are having. I mean atleast THEY know that they have SOMETHING in common.

 

[FlippyD]

Homosexuals tend to have a higher success rate, but possibly for a few reasons we're still unsure on:

- Homosexuals are rarer than heterosexuals: The chances of finding another homosexual, in your area, with your interests and compatibility is hard. This fact, it is believed, causes more homosexual couples to stick together.
- Homosexuals find they can talk with each other more openly: I personally think this is the most critical reason. It's easier to talk to someone of your own gender, usually. There was an episode of "This American Life" where they interviewed a scientific researcher who found that homosexual males don't quarrel as much. My favorite part is when one man says to his spouse "Well, I obviously initiated sex this morning, even though you're not my preferred body-type" and his mate went "Oh, yeah heheh" and that was that. If a husband said that to his wife so openly ("You're not my preferred type of person to have sex with, so sometimes it's hard to make love to you") she'd go all nutso-dramabomb. Likewise, lesbians find it easier to open up to each other because they tend to contemplate their emotions more.
- Homosexual duty: Since homosexual marriage is relatively new, most couples feel they have a duty to stay together in strong and fruitful marriages to prove that homosexual marriage can work, and is a good thing.

 

[Venetia]

I said it as a joke "they'll have SOMETHING in common" (i.e. their genitals). didnt say it was good though

But yeah I agree with your points anyway ixis

 

[alexis]

male birth control pills would be cool

 

[arbiter]

;D

 

[Makasu]

male birth control pills would be cool

No it wouldn't. How would it work?
Would it just make a guy not able to ejaculate altogether or just lower sperm count significantly?
Either ways this sounds like a big mistake. Its people trying to play "god" again and yeah it might actually cause more harm than anything. I know you've seen those commercials where they mention something that'll lets say "cure cancer" I can't think of one of those commercials at the moment but yeah we'll just go with that but the side effects can pretty much kill you. May cause heart attack, stroke, blood clots, yada yada yada things like that. If this does make it out there its going to be another one of those kinda things. You may be getting rid of your ability to have kids but your also putting your life at serious risk.

Just a suggestion.

But I mean I think it should be discussed. I mean for one if you're planning on marrying them eventually kids may be a part of the picture. And I mean if you've had it 'snipped' and you're just holding that in I mean if I were a woman I'd be pretty pissed because well that means you just wanted the sex. Not the baby.

But I mean most people usually don't get tubes tied, or things snipped until AFTER they've had at least one child. At least from what I've seen.

And you don't have to be able to write a book on someone to marry them. :/
There are a lot of married couples that keep A LOT of things from their spouses or partners.
You may think you know your partner inside and out. But you only know what they want you to know...

 

[FlippyD]

Male birth control pills would be pretty sweet, but they'll probably have just as many side-effects as women's birth-control pills (which are notoriously horrible for some women.)

But it's a good thing to have. If male birth control pills are playing god then so is wearing a condom, pulling out and knocking on the back door. Which... When you think about it, is kinda cooky. "Check it out God! I'm getting some head on head action now if you know what I mean! You like that? Oh, how bout this? Didn't intend for me to put that there did ya! Ha, I sure showed you God... (Damn, I can't get it up unless I show God how awesome I am at not making random women preggers.)"

Also, while it's true that most spouses keep secrets from each other, that's an example of a bad marriage. People also swim in shark infested waters, but most would agree it's none-too-wise.

PS. The fact that one of the lead doctor's in this is named "Dr.Wang" is awesome.

 

[mawk]

Its people trying to play "god" again

If modern medicine is trying to play god then you're welcome to try the alternative! (spoilers: smallpox)

Everything has side-effects. The body's makeup is such that you can't change a chemical process to affect just one thing without having some other things follow suit. Usually it's just a minor percent increase in your susceptibility to disease/organ failure/being turned into a zombie, and if you're not willing to sweat that, then there will always be alternatives (although not necessarily as functional/convenient/cheap.) I'm not optimistic that an oral spermicide would help your immunity much, or that something that halted spermatogenesis altogether wouldn't play monkey with your moods, but there's so much in the way of birth control right now that you've always got something to fall back on in case you don't want any part of it.

At any rate, very rarely are you putting your LIFE AT SERIOUS RISK unless you're a triple-bypass patient who takes male enhancement pills.

And you don't have to be able to write a book on someone to marry them. :/
There are a lot of married couples that keep A LOT of things from their spouses or partners.
You may think you know your partner inside and out. But you only know what they want you to know...

Yes, but which couple decides to settle into married life without ever briefly mentioning children? It should be enough to spark a question when they're settling into bed and the dude says he doesn't need a condom, at least.

 

[Makasu]

Its people trying to play "god" again

If modern medicine is trying to play god then you're welcome to try the alternative! (spoilers: smallpox)

Everything has side-effects. The body's makeup is such that you can't change a chemical process to affect just one thing without having some other things follow suit. Usually it's just a minor percent increase in your susceptibility to disease/organ failure/being turned into a zombie, and if you're not willing to sweat that, then there will always be alternatives (although not necessarily as functional/convenient/cheap.) I'm not optimistic that an oral spermicide would help your immunity much, or that something that halted spermatogenesis altogether wouldn't play monkey with your moods, but there's so much in the way of birth control right now that you've always got something to fall back on in case you don't want any part of it.

At any rate, very rarely are you putting your LIFE AT SERIOUS RISK unless you're a triple-bypass patient who takes male enhancement pills.

And you don't have to be able to write a book on someone to marry them. :/
There are a lot of married couples that keep A LOT of things from their spouses or partners.
You may think you know your partner inside and out. But you only know what they want you to know...

Yes, but which couple decides to settle into married life without ever briefly mentioning children? It should be enough to spark a question when they're settling into bed and the dude says he doesn't need a condom, at least.

I guess I shouldn't have said it was them trying to play "god" so my mistake on that behalf.

Yes and while I know all of this the fact of the matter is that the mentioned side effects that would probably come along with a male pill it would just be easier to put a condom on. It takes what like 15 seconds? I'm just saying it doesn't seem like a good idea but thats because I'm not to sure of how it works entirely. But the way I see it you would more than likely be more exposed to the risk of disease. Because well if you have no need for a condom then well you're putting yourself at even greater risk of catching an STD. Unless they can come up with a wonder pill for that.

When you're wrapped up in the "moment" I don't really think you'd notice it. Or he could just use the all great method [[NOT]] of "pulling out" which more girls are prone to falling for.

But the main subject is if they should be told. Yes. Straight up.

 

[FlippyD]

Condoms are good for preventing STDs with someone you don't know that well yes, but...

I'm assuming you've never worn a condom?

 

[Whiskey Dick]

Do away with child support and women can have as many kids as they want.  As long as women are making careers out of turning their pussies into clown cars, they have no right to keep men from preventing unwanted pregnancy.  Vasectomies are reversible and the guy can always make a deposit before the procedure in case the undo doesn't work.

 

[___]

I'd love to have the option of male birth control personally. My wife has a hard time with them and neither of us want to go under the knife. As for STDs: birth control and STDs are unrelated, really. The motivations for using contraceptives are entirely different than the motivations for using condoms to prevent STDs. Condoms are not incredibly effective as contraceptives and no contraceptives I know of have any impact on STD transmission, not even the marginal-to-moderate impact a condom has. Using that as an argument against male contraceptives is silly. Also silly, the idea that the pill is bound to have side effects therefore it's bad. All drugs have side effects, it's up to the patient and his physician to examine the cost vs. benefit and make an intelligent decision.

 

[Venetia]

lol @ playing god.

Makasu it's not about STDs here it's about pregnancies. Obviously, a vasectomy won't protect against the clap, so why were STDs even brought up?

I just think it's stupid as hell to marry someone without knowing something so life-changing and important as their opinions on having kids. That's why the divorce rate is so high: dumbasses trying to keep secrets and failing to communicate.

I'm not terribly interested to learn about my husband's problems with bedwetting as a little kid, or any special romances he formed at summer camp. He can keep that private to the grave for all I care. What I AM interested in is his opinions on things that can and may alter the rest of our combined lives. Duh?

 

[e]

Preposterous. Back in the kitchen with you!

 

[DaithioDell]

Deleted on account of me being an idiot.