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Morrowind/Oblivion

Well to be honest, the 'instruction' is in the game now.  The only thing that has disappeared completely is the 'in character' description of the game that used to frequent instruction books.  One I remember in particular was Arcanum, which had a fun little explanation of magick vs. technology that spanned 4 pages and used a fun little experiment description to show it, sets the mood for playing the game perfectly. 

The Ultima VIII instruction manual on the other hand...  Hell, that whole game in fact, is rather devoid of actual 'instruction'.  The book is wonderful in its descriptions of the actual world, and provides a great backstory as to what the hell everyone is babbling about in the game, but doesn't tell you an ounce of controls. 

Deus Ex seemed kind of like that too, but that could be just because I didn't have the manual for it.  It gives you the little tutorial at the beginning, but in the short amount of time I played it, I never got any feel for what any of the skills you could choose actually did.  In spite of that, they still forced you to pick some of them without a real knowledge of what each did.

I should probably say something about the topic...  Morrowind and Oblivion have a fun amount of lore.  From what I hear, that's a pretty big draw of the games.  Being able to talk to people and discover histories, cultures, etc.  Ultima VIII was kind of skimpy on the NPC interaction thing, but it had a lot of books scattered about that were pretty informative, and I miss that.  Again.  There is a lot of crap that needs to stop disappearing from games.
 
I think, what they need to do, and to be more advance, is make a game that combines both morrowind and oblivion lands, and just incorporates the whole world. That would be one huge badass RPG to play =) I would pay anything for an RPG like that.
 
If they made it online too, like take your offline char and go online,  I WOULD SO PAY. (or dl it via warez, idk which ^_^)
 
I've only ever had Morrowind and Oblivion on console, but I admit they were hugely exciting games. Ok, the wandering for a year on a path was a bit tedious, but the overall games were immensly detailed.

On another note, while searching for info on Oblivion I found this site.
www.tamriel-rebuilt.org
Don't know if many of you know of it, but it makes me wish I'd bought Oblivion on PC when my computer could run it. Sadly, it can't even run a bath nowadays :/
 
The only time I played Morrowind was at a friend's house. I didn't like it, it was too grey and...well I was used to multiplayer FPS games, so you can guess.

Then Oblivion was released and when he got it, I tried it at his place. I loved it! The graphics made me play more and I just loved the gameplay overall. So then I got it and didn't play anything else for weeks. I had to reroll because I found out that Marksmanship + Sneak = Pwnage and I couldn't stand playing as a tank? I completed the main quest and got the highest title on every guild possible, as an assassin.

I eventually found out some exploits like training sneak at jail with the guard, you just let the character there running agaisn't the wall and its afk grinding baby, and training  alteration by casting low level open lock spells on high level locks (surprisingly, that works) and many more.

I just wish Bethesda added a co-op in the next game, I don't think that would be so hard and that's what almost every TES fan wants the most. Exploring Tamriel with a friend would be so COOL. ^^
 
I loved both Games.  I have sorta gone from PC gaming now..because it is just too costly to keep up the computer to run current games..back then I played MW on a PC..loved it..lasted ages with mods and whatnot.  Oblivion I played on my 360..loved it also..but didn't get as much life out of it because it was on the console.  Still two of the best games ever in my book.  In fact,there is nothing comparable out right now and Im getting frustrated with that...Need something decent to play :(
 
shiroun":300gizuy said:
@Shifter - Get mass effect

I've already beaten it..about 100%, put about 45 hours into it...I started to mention that thinking someone would probably suggest it..but didn't want to go off topic.

Anyways, off topic here :)
 

Kojo

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I know people will hate me for this but...

Oblivion > Morrowind. Hands down.

Graphics=better. Plot=better. Total Epic and OMGness=Morrowind had none, win by default. Load Times=We don't talk about this. Immersion=Fine, with a few mods. NPC Depth=Morrowind barely merited the paper doll status.

Also, to you poor schmucks who bought a X360. Sorry about the mods. It is so much better on our side. We get them for free. Hee hee! Also, modding for Oblivion may be a bit more difficult, but it is so dang cool. Morrowind is great, but it's Vista problems (You guys are gonna hate me for using Vista as well. I have never had a single problem with it.. Except Morrowind crashing a bit.) and it's TERRIBLE(unmodded) graphics... Just is so... Archaic compared to the wonders, thrills, and spills, new adventure, unfamiliar territory, and unexplored/new realm of both Cyrrodiil and the Shivering Isles (Need to get that expansion!). I only miss the matze a little bit, anyways... At least they've still got skooma... Oooh yes, skooma....

@pete Yes, Tamriel needs real friends. Just co-op, not an mmo! (Please, Bethesda, NO!)

Oh.. And I have NEVER EVER EVER had to grind on Oblivion or Morrowind.. You just play.. not mindlessly kill mobs! Oh, it is a wondrous thing, Bethesda, I love you.
 
Comparing both games graphically is like comparing Final Fantasy III's graphics with those of Final Fantasy XIII.
Oblivion was highly enhanced due to the appearance of Havok, Half Life 2 's engine, which allowed the game to be much more versatile.
Of course, add ons like the assassins guild, which (at times) pretty much reminded me Thief's game play, was a great asset that helped a lot. Aside the graphics, the game play was pretty much the same, not much differences with Morrowind.
Concerning the voice acting par example, it became tedious to hear the same voices all the time.  A good choice thought was the fact they brought back the fast-traveling... Since that was a weak point in Morrowind.
 
Morrowind had good graphics, but the aspect of the landscape (overall) was ugly, in my opinion. Too grey almost all the time. And the monsters were freaking alien like! That was so out of my concept of fantasy, Oblivion was totally different.

And yes, I agree the voice acting kinda sucked, I mean, if you gave a begger a coin, then asked for a rumor the voice tone was totally different. Sometimes, I just felt like killing them for tricking me into giving them money. Bastards...
And almost every individual from each race had a very similar voice to the next one of the same race, like if they were clones or something <.<

By the way, remember that tip that said if we asked for many rumours we would get a quest to find a treasure? Well, I never got that treasure or quest. The only treasure I got was the Skingrad House's one.
 
Shifter":1eeu742p said:
shiroun":1eeu742p said:
@Shifter - Get mass effect

I've already beaten it..about 100%, put about 45 hours into it...I started to mention that thinking someone would probably suggest it..but didn't want to go off topic.

Anyways, off topic here :)
Wanna send me the disks, I haven't gotten and i want it soo badd.
 
You don't have to grind in Oblivion because monsters level up with you. Which is one of it's PITFALLS. There is rarely ever a sense of impending danger, as ANY enemy can be overcome, given the right amount of skill (i.e. you haven't picked Athletics, Acrobatics, and Alchemy as your primary skills, and are managed to make it to level 10 without ever levelling your Blades and Armor skills because all you do is jump and run around and make potions)

My biggest problem with it was that no matter what kind of character I wanted to make, I always fell into Sword + Heavy Armor. It was almost always better than anything else. But I had the same problem with Morrowind, too. So, there.
 
If you join the Dark Brotherhood for the armor and weapons, and you use Marksmanship + Sneak as your way of battle, you won't have problems. Just grind the sneak so you can get high damage and it will be easier than charging at your enemies, believe me. Unless you suck with the bow (like me in the beggining).

And if you don't want the enemies to level with you, there is a mod that fixes that. I used it and a quest award leveler mod (the higher level you are, the better are the quest rewards), I recommend these two mods.
 
Even without doing the Dark Brotherhood missions, using a Bow and Sneak is a great way to deal damage. But it gets to a point where you can just cleave enemies down with a Draemora Claymore and do just as good without the Sneak bonus.
 
But exploiting the game with Sneak will come in handy while stealing. I once stole one of those magical stones where you store souls, that was infront of a mage's nose in the mages guild. Because of my high sneak, I was just crouched behind him picking up stuff.
But it depends on the player, I like to assassinate the NPC's instead of actually fighting them. It's actually the easiest way to play the game if you grind the Sneak on a jail. I will try as a mage one of these days.
 
Are you sure you hadn't just finished the mage guild quest line? I did that, once. I had the Mage Guild line done, then went to the Thief Guild, had a quest to steal from the Mage Guild, and was able to just walk in and take whatever I wanted.
 
It was Chorrol's Mages Guild where I was stealing and at that time I wasn't doing anything quest related, nor I was in the Mages guild yet. I just needed some gems and money. :P

Believe me, if you are atleast expert on sneaking, you can rob during the day if nobody is looking on your direction, as long as you stay still you won't get detected. I know it's stupid, blame Bethesda.
 

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