Morrowind/Oblivion

[shiroun]

not sure if there is a topic on this. I searched to no avail.


Anyone play either of them? I'm making a mod for Morrowind in Bethos(S?) that puts stuff from transvenia in it. It's rather weird, but is a good place to test out spells, because theres about 15/20 guards in one area, which is funny ^^

 

[GhastlyMasquerade]

I played ( And still do from time to time)  both of them. Great games... But the one I loved the most was Morrowind. So you are making a mod? Once you finish it, share it! :D

 

[Anonymous]

moved this into the right forum for you :3

also morrowind was really really good but oblivion was mostly shit.

 

[Marcus]

Oblivion was good but they simplified it way too much.  The storyline in Oblivion was pretty good (especially the final scenes leading up to the epic demon fight) and I felt that it totally broke the cliche of "open-ended-pc-rpg-with-boring-story."  The only thing I didn't like was the boring "high fantasy" setting.  I really liked Morrowind because no other RPG took place in a burnt out ashen volcano land with giant mushrooms and the architecture of the buildings was incredibly unique.  If they ever revisit Morrowind in future installments, I'd be happy although I wouldn't mind playing in Hammerfell or Elsewyr... although I'm holding my breath as I don't know how players would feel comfortable in a land filled with black people and furries.

 

[Cruelty]

oblivion was badass. that's for sure.

the thing that killed it for me was the 'invisible wall' around the map. that was stupid. after playing morrowind, i t just seemed too limited in new areas to discover.. i mean, of course 80% of the map on morrowind was just hideous ashland with nothing to really discover, but at least you had the option to wander around aimlessly until you finally kill the wrong guy and ruin the story line. :l

GOTY Morrowind was just totally fucking epic. i had more than a million gold, and my character wouldn't level up any more.. yet i never even finished any of the 3 'main' quests. i had successfully became a vampire, and cured it, then a werewolf, then cured that too. i think i might have finished one of the guilds... the thiefs guild probably.
then i sold my xbox with my morrowind data on it :{

i was young and needed the money ;~;

i didn't have as much fun with oblivion, but its still an enjoyable game.

 

[shiroun]

I made one mod, which I will post right now. It is a mix off of the Balmora area, and it has guards from other areas, vendors from other areas, and something else that is kinda awesome when you see it.

Theres an unfinished spiral in the sky, you can see it from the mountain spiral.

Go to the left side of Balmora, you'll see it, it is hard to miss, use the local map if you can't, and you'll find it lol.

http://www.sendspace.com/file/ntxets

I'm working on a "Starting town hell" map, where you literally need to get out as freaking fast as you can, or else you'll die.

I played it, it chewed up 60% cpu usage (intel pentium 4 processor with a radeon X600). I died on my level 103 the first time, locked up the 2nd time. Gonna fix it up, maybe delete the monsters...

Oh yea, I made a mod where fargoth is gone, which means you can't do his sidequest, nor give back the ring. Which means your game is screwed.

Lol.

 

[Venetia]

I dunno what you people are talking about. Oblivion > Morrowind, atleast to me.

Some of the mods in Morrowind were more entertaining, but the main game of Oblivion is totally solid. The only thing I disliked was going to the Oblivion underworld-place over and over, but if you skip the whole main story or if you complete it, you never have to go there :'). But I'd still rather run around in the underworld areas of Oblivion than spend even a few minutes in the Ashlands. I f'ing hated the Ashlands, and that comprised like 50% of the Morrowind world. In Oblivion I was so enthralled, I got master rank in every guild (including the Dark Brotherhood), and completed nearly every quest! Twice, for 2 different characters!

Anyone play Shivering Isles? I might have played that expansion area the same amount as the main game. Knights of the Nine was a rollicking good time, too.

The only thing Morrowind was better at was in cheating the shit out your character. In MW you could set your stats so high that even swinging your sword could kill every idiot in town! Magic was greatly depressed in Oblivion, which is a shame, but it does make it more challenging and fun. The OOO mod and all the visual-enhancement mods (for PC) make the game a still-viable contender to games coming out today. Throw a few face-reconstruction mods in there along with high-rez texture packs and it looks incredible! Of course my PC is a pretty impressive rig, so of course you can't get the same experience on the 360/PS3/older comps.

I wish there would be an Elder Scrolls V, but sadly, I heard that Bethesda isn't going to be making any more ES games, atleast in the near future, at all.

 

[shiroun]

Yea, I tried oblivion, but I prefer morrowind. Even though the ashlands suck, I just CoC to every area, then use Area of Entanglement (A skill I made using a mod, if I wanted to I could make it bomb the shit out of the whole planet), to kill everything.
Type: Target
Cost- 1 MP
Power - Min 5000 - Max 100000
Area (Damage): 500 (About the size of starting town)
Probability to cast: 100

Yeeeeee....

 

[GhastlyMasquerade]

Venetia, now you are gonna say Deus Ex 2 is better than the first one ^^  :P

 

[Anonymous]

oblivion wasn't a TERRIBLE GAME (the engine (aside from stealth and leveling) was really solid) but the setting was just blargh. shivering isles is probably the most redeeming thing about oblivion, and largely because the world was INTERESTING and not just LOL HIGH FANTASY.

I wish there would be an Elder Scrolls V, but sadly, I heard that Bethesda isn't going to be making any more ES games, atleast in the near future, at all.

not before fallout 3 is done. considering the ES series is literally THE ONLY THING keeping them afloat (they make HORSE RACING GAMES for christ's sake) i HIGHLY doubt they're going to axe it anytime soon. they already patented(?) "skyrim" in terms of a series title so i'm pretty sure ES5 is a definite (and likely to take place in skyrim!) but i don't really see it coming out before 2012. it's definitely COMING OUT eventually though.

 

[Marcus]

Venetia, now you are gonna say Deus Ex 2 is better than the first one ^^  :P

It was.  The storyline was more mature, the voice acting was better, the graphics engine was actually up-to-date for the generation it was released in, it wasn't as buggy as the first, and the biomods weren't total crap like the nanomods. 

The trade off?  It didn't have the RPG elements...

 

[Venetia]

Never played Deus Ex, either one. Futuristic/modern settings bore me to death. Grey, grey, blue, blue, grey, grey, blue, blue. Oh! Was that an orange LED on that computer there?! Wowz!

I love the hell out of the Oblivion setting. I could do without the elves/orcs (PLAYED OUT), but forests/townships/spires/caves/lakes ... Yeah, that's the shit I like.

I loved the hell out of KOTOR but it's funny, I mostly like that game for the Wookiee planet (Kashyyyk) :P

And yeah, I agree it'd be stupid for Bethesda to stop producing ES, I'm just relaying what I've heard through the grapevine :P

 

[GhastlyMasquerade]

Deus Ex was a classic, second one gave me the feeling is was incomplete. Venetia, when expressing opinions I would ask you to do it in a proper manner (I think we all got brains here, no) thank you. Secondly... It is obvious Bethesda will continue making TES games.
Morrowind, aside the old graphics, was better structured as a whole.

 

[Marcus]

I love the hell out of the Oblivion setting. I could do without the elves/orcs (PLAYED OUT), but forests/townships/spires/caves/lakes ... Yeah, that's the shit I like.

So you like generic tolkein fantasy lands with thatched cottages and goblin caves?

see, i can generalize too.

And bethesda isn't making TES5 until Fallout 3 comes out... which is next year.

 

[shiroun]

Lol. Did anyone even bat an eye towards my project? You know, that little thing for the town... I posted it...

and TES5 will be out in 2010

 

[Venetia]

Venetia, when expressing opinions I would ask you to do it in a proper manner (I think we all got brains here, no) thank you.

WTH? I was expressing my opinion. Never got into Deus Ex. Shit, just because I'm going against the grain doesn't mean I'm "expressing" an opinion in an im"proper manner".

People flame games all the time that they don't particularly care for. I didn't even flame the damn game--I'm not saying it was a sucky game, I'm saying I didn't play it because I didn't dig the setting. Big whoop. People're allowed to state their opinions, no matter how narrowminded

@ Marcus: I get what you were trying to do there, but since when does Tolkien have a monopoly on the fantasy/medieval setting? There are a lot of books/movies/games/etc. set in the foresty, dark-age era. If nobody ever did it, wouldn't it then become cliche not to do it ...? :'/


I still don't agree that MW was a better game, but hey, people're allowed to have opinions .

Maybe MW was a little more ground-breaking, but I still think Oblivion offered more all around. I don't think you guys remember how incredibly buggy/unbalanced that game was (yes, even moreso than Obl.). And I don't know about you, but Ashlands and Swamps aren't that big of a thrill. However again, I'm not saying MW was a bad game!! I'm just saying that I thought Obl. was more solid.

@ shiroun: Oh really? Sweet

 

[GhastlyMasquerade]

*ahem* "Graphically" Solid  :D

 

[Marcus]

Maybe MW was a little more ground-breaking, but I still think Oblivion offered more all around. I don't think you guys remember how incredibly buggy/unbalanced that game was (yes, even moreso than Obl.). And I don't know about you, but Ashlands and Swamps aren't that big of a thrill. However again, I'm not saying MW was a bad game!! I'm just saying that I thought Obl. was more solid.

The setting was a lot more alien which is why I brought up the whole "generic fantasy tripe" that is Cyrodil.  I liked Morrowind because it featured a world that was incredibly unique; no other 3D RPG featured a barren, alien WASTELAND of giant mushrooms, hulking tentacle creatures, and a fat guy with mechanical spider legs.  I also enjoyed the very steampunk Dwemer technology. 

I just dig original worlds and Morrowind was one of the more original I've played.

 

[Andy6000]

God people get upset when you put down Deus Ex even slightly.  I mean, the original was a ground breaking game, but it had its flaws (none that I can think of because I never really got very far into it but hey whatever).  I played the hell out of Invisible War and I can count off quite a few flaws off the top of my head for that game.  Though I still enjoyed it a lot.

I'd have to agree about Oblivion being more...  Polished than Morrowind.  I never got into either of them, but I've played both of them a good bit, and Morrowind had an annoying number of weird little bad things.  Like the whole 'oh you can go and do what you want, free roaming world thing, but if you happen to do a couple really specific things wrong you can't play the story any more, sorry' thing.  Seriously I run around, get like 9 level ups, kill some random fat man, and all the sudden I have to reload from my save 4 hours ago because he was apparently important to the plot. 

no other 3D RPG featured a barren, alien WASTELAND of giant mushrooms

The careful man is sure to include the 3D part!  Eternal Night with giant mushrooms was done in Ultima VIII: Pagan, and that was one of my favorite environments ever.    I think I'm going to go play that game now, I recently dug it out of a trunk while cleaning and it tickled my fancy to see how very in depth the instruction booklet was.  I miss those, where there was actual content in an instruction guide rather than just a bunch of crap the game tells you anyways.

 

[Marcus]

I miss the days when games came with extra content, period.  Ultima IV included an entire history book on Britainia.  Earthbound included a players guide.  StarTropics came with a letter that directly tied into the game's story.  Nowadays you're lucky just to get a colored manual.