Money...

[Megadeth425]

Poverty is governmment-made. Sweatshops make immense profits by only paying their workers pennies an hour. Atheletes and actors negotiate contracts that give them more in a four month stretch than honest people doing an honesty job that provides some neccesary service can make in a year (some 19 year old with no concept of spending money gets a million dollar contract. Meanwhile, my stepdad works to make cables, things like electricity couldn't go through, and gets paid just enough for us to scrape by.). In his first term, Bush gave the richest 2% of the US populatin tax cuts. Now let's do the math. The richest, who're making tens of millions a year, get tax cuts, which puts a dent in how much money the country has to spend. Meanwhile, people who struggle for a few months so their taxes get paid, don't get tax cuts that could have a much smaller impact on how less money goes in.
Look at bottled water. For $1.25, you can go and get a bottle filled with what you can get for free from your tap.
You say that unless you're a very infinitecimal percentage of the population, so small that the odds of such a person existing are themselves infinitecimal, then you're poor because of your own fault. It can't be that you got laid off because your boss decided getting machines to do the work would be cheaper than getting people. It can't be that the small store you owned was driven out of business by a multi-billion dollar mega-mart. It can't be that you're living in a system that cares about two things: you dying for their glory, and you giving them your money.
Yes, people do throw away their lives. People fuck up, don't care, and end broke until they die. But to say that every person at poverty is like that because it's their fault, you prove the system has won.
And if you think rations and communism are the only alternatives to a greed-based, every-man-for-himself system, then I suggest you don't talk until you know what you're saying. Communism is the left-wing extreme, just as fascism and nazism is the left. There's a whole spectrum of ideals between what we have and communism.

 

[Andy6000]

Poverty is governmment-made. Sweatshops make immense profits by only paying their workers pennies an hour. Atheletes and actors negotiate contracts that give them more in a four month stretch than honest people doing an honesty job that provides some neccesary service can make in a year (some 19 year old with no concept of spending money gets a million dollar contract. Meanwhile, my stepdad works to make cables, things like electricity couldn't go through, and gets paid just enough for us to scrape by.). In his first term, Bush gave the richest 2% of the US populatin tax cuts. Now let's do the math. The richest, who're making tens of millions a year, get tax cuts, which puts a dent in how much money the country has to spend. Meanwhile, people who struggle for a few months so their taxes get paid, don't get tax cuts that could have a much smaller impact on how less money goes in.
Look at bottled water. For $1.25, you can go and get a bottle filled with what you can get for free from your tap.
You say that unless you're a very infinitecimal percentage of the population, so small that the odds of such a person existing are themselves infinitecimal, then you're poor because of your own fault. It can't be that you got laid off because your boss decided getting machines to do the work would be cheaper than getting people. It can't be that the small store you owned was driven out of business by a multi-billion dollar mega-mart. It can't be that you're living in a system that cares about two things: you dying for their glory, and you giving them your money.
Yes, people do throw away their lives. People fuck up, don't care, and end broke until they die. But to say that every person at poverty is like that because it's their fault, you prove the system has won.
And if you think rations and communism are the only alternatives to a greed-based, every-man-for-himself system, then I suggest you don't talk until you know what you're saying. Communism is the left-wing extreme, just as fascism and nazism is the left. There's a whole spectrum of ideals between what we have and communism.

You are just adorable!

But seriously though next time use double spaces, I dunno, it's not necessary but it sure makes it easier for the rest of us.

Capitalism has it's problems, it has a lot of them, but there's not exactly much better. Radically different forms of government just don't work most the time largely due to the fact that they don't run off of human greed. Greed is pretty powerful!

While that's pretty depressing considering, you can always try to make it better, that's why countries today are democratic, to fall in line with Enlightenment thinking as little as possible while making it appear they're bastions of it. Politics is fun!

Again, I wish this topic would've died, money is the root of no problem, ask your history teacher if money is evil, and then post their response here, I'm sure they'll have words of wisdom that should enlighten you plenty.

 

[Megadeth425]

The "adorable" comment I see following my posts again and again meaning..

 

[Mega Flare]

Why my game sucks seems to be getting nowhere
I don't have money to pay people for graphics, music, etc.

Why my PC is slow at some things
Don't have the huge amount of money to buy a better one.

Why the pen I just used didn't work
Only had the money on me to get a cheap pen.

Hey! I know how you can solve those problems! GET A FRICKEN JOB! there problem solved. now everyone is happy

 

[Andy6000]

The "adorable" comment I see following my posts again and again meaning..

I only did it twice, and I do it to people that pull the 'I'm unique and anarchist and down with the government', which is really pretty generic!

Also yes getting a job does solve some of your money problems thank you megaflare, as always, your input is highly valued to me.

EDIT: Oh also your 'blame the government for everything' viewpoint is pretty tired too.

 

[Torik]

For your info again Megadeth yes it is the poor person's fault for being poor. At some point in time they made some choice that led them there. Life is simple... Life is choice. If your stepdad makes cables.... he PUT HIMSELF THERE!!!

I ain't rich, and i don't have much money, but I know damn well if you try your hardest and make the right choices you will find that damn thing we all love so much (money)!

So I believe the government system we have right now is not perfect... but the best Possible. There is none better. So get used to it... you have no choice. So just shut up and earn your god damn money like the rest of us.

 

[Andy6000]

For your info again Megadeth yes it is the poor person's fault for being poor. At some point in time they made some choice that led them there. Life is simple... Life is choice. If your stepdad makes cables.... he PUT HIMSELF THERE!!!

I ain't rich, and i don't have much money, but I know damn well if you try your hardest and make the right choices you will find that damn thing we all love so much (money)!

So I believe the government system we have right now is not perfect... but the best Possible. There is none better. So get used to it... you have no choice. So just shut up and earn your god damn money like the rest of us.

No, it's not a child's fault he was born in the lowest class possible and didn't have the opportunity to attend school and thus didn't have the time in his life to work quite that far up the ladder to get a fabulous life.

Nowadays it's much better than it used to be, there's opportunity for people to get farther, if you're a beggar it's your fault, but you can't honestly say that every person has the opportunity to become a company CEO, famous actor or whatever. The truth is, someone has to be the lower tier, they're just as necessary as that company CEO, and there's more of them.

Now, it's possible for each and every one of them to try harder, do better, and get farther, but really, that's just stepping over somebody else and putting them where you just were. Someone's getting fucked 100% of the time. It's the way modern society works. Unless you feel like having your life monitored and regulated, I'd suggest you get used to it.

 

[Megadeth425]

Oh also your 'blame the government for everything' viewpoint is pretty tired too.

Governments are meant to help the people and take care of the country. When pointless wars, corporate interests, and self-serving agendas get in the way of this job, they are, indeed, to blame.

If your stepdad makes cables.... he PUT HIMSELF THERE!!!

Or maybe it was an issue out of his control, like his learning disorder.
Besides, whether he's at fault for it or not, my celebirty to worker comparison was simply to show that a vital job (it's not the best job, hauling spools of cables and stuff around a factory, but without it we wouldn't have electricity) pays out just enough for a family of five to get by if we stretch it, while mindless teens fresh out of high school get hundreds of thousands and even millions of dollars to spend a few months in a movie.

I ain't rich, and i don't have much money, but I know damn well if you try your hardest and make the right choices you will find that damn thing we all love so much

Our lives aren't based purely on our choices. There are always factors outside of our control that hinder us, and to say that if you're poor or you have a job extremely low on the ladder is just ignorant.

There is none better.

Same was said about the monarchy. In fact, in the Middle Ages, the same meaning that anarchy has taken (chaos, disorder) was then used to describe democracy. But democracy worked fine. There's a myriad of political systems out there that I know you haven't done the research on to know they'd fail, that they'd turn out inferior.

earn your god damn money like the rest of us.

I never said I wouldn't. I never said, "Well, I don't like the government, so I'm gonna sit on my ass for the rest of my life". I have a job. I do some odd jobs for family and teach my grandmother to use a computer on the side. I earn my money.

 

[Andy6000]

See there you go again making vague references to how bad democracy is as a system, make a better suggestion, or better yet, go out and do something about it. If you say anarchy, then please, just break about six of your fingers, so in the future, you'll have to think about what you type a lot more so it will be your true thoughts.

When people blame the government for everything that's wrong, the viewpoint is so radically bad unless you can suggest something better that doesn't just fuck something else worse. Well, any actual applicable alternative I can think of fucks something else to that expense, like personal rights being sacrificed for greater safety. You can always make believe that stuff like anarchy would work out, while the simple fact is that it wouldn't.

 

[Torik]

Im gonna agree with Andy.

 

[Ravenith]

Anarchy existed once. It worked itself to some kind of order, and this keeps evolving. All in all, every system is better than the last one (but this does not mean good)

 

[kintaruo]

The reason actors get paid more, the reason sports players get paid more, is because they do things no one else can do. Is what your Dad does important? Of course it is important. The problem is, as you said, he is "hauling things around a factory." Supply and demand. There are tons of people who can do the job, so that makes the demand, and thus the pay for those jobs significantly less.

Do some actors suck? Of course they do. Those are the ones that are really annoying, the pretty faces. But again, supply and demand. There are only so many people who look gorgeous and can act to a degree. The demand for these people is very very high. Thus, they get paid a ton.

This is capitalism, yes. But can you honestly find a way around it? If you can come up with something better, then surely I'd love to hear it. You can't really get rid of supply and demand though, and that is really what drives everything, in a basic sense. So by saying you hate capitalism, you are saying you hate supply and demand.

Show me away around it.

 

[sixtyandaquarter]

Exactly, there is no way 'round it.

The world is based around supply and demand. No other substitute has ever been found, short of ideals of commonly shared objects and the like where no one person technically owns anything, or where those with must support those without to be equally pared - or other like failed experiments.
In other words, capitalism always existed since we defined the idea of "mine", "want", and "need" - except in pipe dreams.