Wings;113684 said:
Calm down high speed. This topic is meant to be a discussion, Anaryu. All of the supporting material this discussion is based around is in the first post, so don't shoot the messenger.
As far as the number of children I have raised is irrelevant to this discussion. I also never stated that children could not be scared straight. If you had read my post thoroughly, you would of found that I added a conflicting argument in there, "children with mental disorders". Do you honestly believe that somebody with a condition that shortens attention span is really going to care about being "scared straight"...especially when the span of the arrest apparently happened within a short time frame with absolutely no repercussions? Common sense.
Actually I carefully read all of your posts. And a short attention span does not make someone immune to being scared. If anything a mental disorder would help to stabilize fears as a driving factor in a childs development. Take into consideration that with such a short attention span, sitting with potentially almost nothing to do in a cell for hours could be taken as almost a pure hell compared to potentially relative freedom. Even if the jail is equipped with televisions and such, children with short attention spans cannot stand sitting still in an enclosed area.
Throughout all of your points you definitely side with the child as being wronged by a mother taking things too far.
Indeed. However, "resolving" family issues by ringing the police on your child is a very poor method of corrective punishment.
You made a very bold statement there, a definite take that it IS NOT a good thing. You state that AS A FACT.
The mum states that her child is suffering from ADHD. The last time I checked, ADHD (Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder) or ADD (Attention Deficit Disorder) is a pre-existing mental illness that is treatable through the use of medication (Ritalin, Focalin, Adderal, Dexedrine, ect) and ongoing psychiatric counseling. Failure to keep up with the prescribed medications and psychiatric counseling will result in relapses.
Which, being a doctor, you can only assume this is an average case and that the child was not incorrect diagnosed by a doctor. Something you didn't consider.
I fear this is the doing of the mother herself, as if the child has ongoing behaviour problems, you can be assured that these disorders are a prime contributor to his actions.
No, actually, we can't. It would make sense, certainly, but it could be the medication or level of medication adversely affecting him as well. We DON'T KNOW.
This was a frivolous arrest and I'm quite surprised that the police were willing to act on such circumstances. The Gameboy was intended as a Christmas gift to the boy. If the mum had a problem with him opening it before he was supposed to, then it turns into a minor domestic issue...that you resolve AT HOME.
And what if resolving it at home doesn't work? Without having been a parent before, you really have no idea what resolving something at home entails. I assure you, it's nothing like what you imagine from your childhood. The only thing that prepares you for parenthood is parenthood.
EDIT: Here is a good analogy I thought up for you that explains my reasoning.
"You don't put a candy bar at arms reach of a child, if you don't expect him to eat it."
Do not count children responsible for their own acts then? While this would make sense with something at the level of a gun (the consequences to themselves or other can be very deadly) your lack of experience with raising children shows here because guess what:
You need to TEACH THE CHILDREN WHAT RIGHT AND WRONG IS. By not even giving the children chances to learn, you deprive them of chances to learn what's right and wrong through experience, which is MUCH more effective than simply preaching and talking is.
I never stated that it did work, in a definite sense. However, there are other measures that can be taken to help correct the condition. Like I said earlier, on going psychiatric care. Being "scared straight" works for criminals, not children who have mental disorders.
Assuming that it didn't exist, or hadn't been effective, or if a doctor or psychiatrist had told the mother it wasn't necessary or wouldn't help.
I am not questioning your news post, only your own opinion-based commentary afterwards.
Also, the number of children you have raised is VERY much at the heart of this discussion. You're commenting on the mental state of a child based on his upbringing and methods to help deal with such situations. There are things a parent would have a much more realistic view of than someone who has never even had a child. Much like someone who has played Basketball would be a better canditate to tell someone why they were playing basketball poorly than someone who hadn't?
My point was that all this conjecture is poor because everyone is basing a lot of things on pure assumptions.
The news was good, the commentary defending either side after was not.
There is little point in continuing to quote each other and pretent to be logically arguing possibilities, because the base point is everyone involved is assuming, I only ask that you take that into consideration when making your statements.
