FF7

[G-man]

Uhuh thought you were coming in here to see someone rave about how good it was, nope not gonna happen, to me FF7 was a weak squaresoft game, the only reason I think everyone loved it so is because of it was the first 3d FF, and everyone was clouded by the graphics to see how stupid the story really is.:D

 

[Fafnir]

Although completely I agree(Sephiroth is bishie fanservice, Cloud is cardboard, etc. etc.), this is pretty much trolling...

 

[G-man]

trolling? what exactly do you mean? I'm simply stating ff7 was one of Squaresofts weaker games that they thought they could get away with b\c it was in 3d

 

[Mega Flare]

yay trolling. Squares weaker games are FFX, FFXII and Kingdom Hearts 1 and 2

 

[G-man]

all FF's after 6 strike me as week, as for KH, would be way better if Disney....stayed in Disney.

 

[EmuMaster2002]

Hey, FF9 was the pinnacle of their greatness.

 

[trum853]

Meh, I enjoyed the FF games somewhat. Probably one of the better RPG series i've played. That reminds me, one of my mates stole FF3 from me, i'll never finish it at this rate.

And Kingdom Hearts was ok, i've got a soft spot for Disney but Sora was one of the weaker heroes Square has come up with.

 

[G-man]

Hey, FF9 was the pinnacle of their greatness.

I actually thought this one was atrocious, and went in my locked up box at the bottom of the closet labeled "Don't play."

 

[Petros]

I really don't understand your reasoning, in my opinion the graphics for FF7 were shit, even for their time, they could have done a whole lot better and that was proven through other games at the time.

It was the story and gameplay of FF7 that brought so many people to love and respect it. It re-defined the RPG Genre. It's story is complex, involving and enthralling. Which unlike many RPGs before that wasn't full of cliches. Very few RPGs before Final Fantasy VII were actually very original in storyline. I'm not saying there were none, Chrono Trigger, Final Fantasy VI, Breath of Fire to name a few were all brilliantly original stories.

However the majority of RPGs pre-5th Generation consoles were very cliched and unoriginal even in the Final Fantasy Series, and yes before anyone asks, I have played through EVERY Final Fantasy, as a matter of fact Final Fantasy IV is one of my favourites of all time.

Anyway, my point is, I very much disagree that it was the graphics that made Final Fantasy VII possibly the most loved game of all time internationally. If anything in my opinion the graphics were the only thing letting it down, it's story was brilliant, it's musical score was fantastic, the characters were all interesting and original and for the first time in a long time in RPGs there was no "I am your father's mother's brother's sister's aunt's goldfish's nephew!" styled cliches.

Final Fantasy VII redefined the RPG Genre and I seriously cannot see how someone can say it is the weakest of the series, especially if so many people fell in love with the game for their own reasons.

I'm Petros L. Ioannou, thank you and goodnight!

 

[G-man]

Well to me it looked good for it's time frame, I was clouded by it, since everyone said the game was so good, but eventually you'll start looking and you're like....waiiiit small guy vs. Big empire?
Where have I seen this? Spiky haired hero? Hmm.
White haired antagonist. Okay you know what *cuts off playstation* I'm going outside.

 

[Petros]

When previously was there a spikey haired hero, answer that please? Like I said, Final Fantasy VII was a trend setter. These things may seem a little cliche now but 10 years ago, this was the game that set in motion a million others to copy it and make it's idea's cliche, which is a testament to it's popularity.

And for your information, when I first played VII, much like a lot of people, I didn't know it was going to be so good.

 

[cubia]

If I recall correctly, Chrono from Chrono Trigger had spikey hair..

 

[Mist]

If I recall correctly, Chrono from Chrono Trigger had spikey hair..

Yes, and that totally makes FF7 a shitty game.

 

[Pein]

Yes, and that totally makes FF7 a shitty game.

in your opinion

 

[Petros]

Kinda my point there isn't it?

 

[Diogo //Skyfusion//]

It was the story and gameplay of FF7 that brought so many people to love and respect it. It re-defined the RPG Genre. It's story is complex, involving and enthralling. Which unlike many RPGs before that wasn't full of cliches. Very few RPGs before Final Fantasy VII were actually very original in storyline.

FFVII did not re-define the RPG genre, it just made it popular. It featured SNES gameplay with limit breaks, a more futuristic setting, and FMV cutscenes. Basically, hardly anything new over what FFVI brought to the genre.

FFVII's story wasn't very original neither. Sure, it had its unique concepts and characters, but so does a lot of other RPGs and FFs. The entire Shinra Organization is cliche, the whole concept of clones and crazy scientists was cliche, the villain's personality and motives were cliche, and it featured countless generic anime characters.

I'm not saying that it is bad, quite the contrary actually, FFVII managed to present most of these cliche elements in an engaging way, but it definitely wasn't very original.

and for the first time in a long time in RPGs there was no "I am your father's mother's brother's sister's aunt's goldfish's nephew!" styled cliches.

Like

Spoiler

Sephiroth being Hojo's son, Aeris being Gast's daughter, Barret not being Marlene's father...

 

[Zankoku no Yami]

I am a fellow FF6 hater. The characters were flat as hell; at least FF7's cast had SOME depth. The story was bland and boring (even if people say FF7's was simular, at least it was far superior than the piece of crap 6 gave us) and over all... boring. It actually PAINED me to play it; and not because of the graphics! No, i actually enjoyed FF4 far more; and its graphics were even worst. In fact, i ENJOYED playing FF4... and still hated 6 with a passion.

The only reason I think people love the FF1-6 so much, is simply because they grew up during the time and its now a priceless series to them and they just cant STAND seeing change.

Lets face it, aside from 'pretty graphics', the newer ones far surpass the old. There is a new little invention called 'character development'. The characters of the old games were all either flat, stereotypical, or over all unrelatable period. Getting inside there head was the equilivant of understanding a box.

FF7 may not have been an expertise in this area as future games had; but it did get quite indepth if you look at Cloud's mental state. Hell, that was actually pretty deep; and I do love it a story makes a focus on a characters psyche.

I can't say that any of the FF's were 'omg the greatest games of all time', but some of them were pretty priceless.

Honestly, I dont see the 'omggreatness' of the first six FF's aside from their 'classic' value. Characters and stories were flat, onesided, cliched and boring as hell.

 

[Mega Flare]

the best FFgames were the PS1 ones, then Snes, then nes then PS2...

 

[Diogo //Skyfusion//]

There is a new little invention called 'character development'. The characters of the old games were all either flat, stereotypical, or over all unrelatable period. Getting inside there head was the equilivant of understanding a box.

Do you know the name of the JRPG that re-defined the stories in the genre? THE RPG that featured character development and changed the stories of JRPGs forever? Final Fantasy IV. This "new little invention called character development" came from FFIV, and FFVI polished it further. FFVII hardly has more character development than FFVI, and FFVIII manages to have even less with the exception of Squall. FFXII does not have more than FFVI's neither. And at its time, FFIV's characters weren't stereotypical at all.

Honestly, I dont see the 'omggreatness' of the first six FF's aside from their 'classic' value. Characters and stories were flat, onesided, cliched and boring as hell.

Tell me, how are the characters in the latest FFs less cliche than the old ones?

 

[G-man]

lol I agree, Hero with a dark past, O.O so new and refreshing XD
I figure Square's best Rpg's Were Xenogears,and Chrono Trigger