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Female Circumsion: Mild Social Practice, or violent crime?

I don't think circumcision is the best term for females. Males have a little bit that just hangs there cut off the top. Females get the WHOLE THING sewn together. Considering that this mostly happens in Africa, they're wouldn't be any anasethseia (sp, sorry) so the two are hardly comparable.
 
I don't see why people don't like circumcision... I don't know about females, but us guys, who are circumsized, don't have to clean all that gunk that is excreted from the foreskin.  I'm glad I am circumsized!
 
gamingfan1989":2q1t91vc said:
I don't see why people don't like circumcision... I don't know about females, but us guys, who are circumsized, don't have to clean all that gunk that is excreted from the foreskin.  I'm glad I am circumsized!

During a fetus' development, this little nubby bit on the crotch either continues to grow if the fetus is a boy (becoming a penis), or doesn't for a girl (a clitoris). The term "circumcision" is a bit misleading in this case, since the whole thing is lopped off, not just the foreskin/hood. Would YOU want to have your penis chopped off (it would make for even easier cleaning!)? I don't know about you, but I quite like my "penis" where it is.

EDIT: s/castration/circumcision...  :P
 

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It's monstrous, I don't know of a single sane justification for it and I have serious doubts that there is one. 

Male circumcision is an entirely different subject as it has benefits, albeit minor, causes very little pain, and does not have any significant downsides.  Personally I'm thankful I was circumsised, and most other men that were I imagine feel the same about it.  Perhaps those who are not deserve some sort of legal recourse and we can just let legislative selection work on it, but I wouldn't take advantage of it if it were available.  It's still somewhat regrettable that people are mutilated against their will for no real reason, granted.  But female circumcision, just a disgusting, horrible practice that can't be supported just on a "cultural" basis, I'm sorry.  No way, no how.  If some aboriginal tribe cut people's lips or nose or thumb off as children I wouldn't stand for that either, I don't give a fuck what traditions they have.  Cosmetic mutilations as part of a tradition, fine.  Functional body parts that have significant impact on quality of life, hell.  No.
 
gamingfan1989":3mxgexlz said:
I don't see why people don't like circumcision... I don't know about females, but us guys, who are circumsized, don't have to clean all that gunk that is excreted from the foreskin.  I'm glad I am circumsized!

First off, that had nothing to do with the subject. You do realize that you're only allowed to revive old symposium topics if you actually add something to the discussion, right? Because you didn't you just said some random opinion that has nothing to do with the topic at hand.

The fact of the matter is, that female "circumcision" is nothing like the circumcision that some boys undergo. It's, as others have, and as the links in the original post stated, and most recently, as Snuggles said, the equivelent of cutting off a man's penis... Sort of. Well, it's the penis has more uses than the clitoris, but... Well, you know what I mean.

It's really rather sexist. "You, as a woman, are not allowed to enjoy sex! *Snip* Now, go off, and enjoy being 'circumcised'!". Of course, that was a very stupid way of putting, but you get the point. It's another way that socially, and technologically underdeveloped(yes, I said 'underdeveloped'! So sue me!) peoples oppress women. It's sickening.

Okay, I'd like to stop rambling, now. I have trouble expressing my opinions intelligently here.
 
Nphyx":kd60rrwh said:
Oh, another necro. My bad, I would not have replied had I noticed.

No, no. It's perfectly fine. Usually, you're allowed to revive old symposium topics, as long as you add something meaningful to the debate. gamingfan didn't, but that's a moot point, as we've already added something. So, feel free to converse as normal. Well, I'm pretty sure.
 
As Luminier said, it's generally okay to continue the discussion once someone else has brought it up - but only if you are ADDING to the conversation.  You, Nphx, had added, and it is fine.  If a mod feels the thread is too old or irrelevant to stay, they may close it - but generally you'll be fine.

As Luminier also brought up, female circumcision is very much like cutting off a penis.  It, in many ways can be expressed as a sort of castration.  Most people think castration, and think of men who have to put a little metal straw like tube into a little hole if they want to pee correctly (damn, I forgot what it's called), but there are forms of castration that remove just the tip, or other parts.

Such castrations leave the male to have very little pleasure, if any, and will usually have to rely on other stimuli to even be able to perform.  Like female circumcision there is no pleasure, horrible scaring, but pregnancy can still happen.  And like it, it is used to enforce that you do not go around the block in someone else's cabby.

Both are equally barbaric, disgusting, and horribly rude.  Vulgar mindsets used to destroy freedoms and enforce traditions so out dated we don't even think of them naturally unless someone brings up the atrocity - and it often sparks a "wha?!".

I've always thought traditions are pointless, cultural heritage irrelevant, and ultimately enforced ideas lead to destruction - this sort of crap is a nice exclamation mark to that statement.
 
Any form of circumcision is wrong. The vulva and penis should be kept intact, because that's the way we are. If you really want it, go get it done professionally when you're 18 and have legal responsibility over your body. But the idea of having 10 year olds having parts of their genitals mutilated... it disgusts me beyond belief. No person/religion should have the right to do that to a poor defenseless child.
 
gamingfan1989":1oej4nmg said:
I don't see why people don't like circumcision... I don't know about females, but us guys, who are circumsized, don't have to clean all that gunk that is excreted from the foreskin.  I'm glad I am circumsized!

You do realize that smegma is HEALTHY, right?

But samboy's right- ANY form of circumcision is horrible. If someone wants to get it done to themselves when they're old enough, let them. Like a tatoo or a piercing. But putting babies through that is horrible.

To ANYBODY who cares about the issue of circumcision AT ALL (note that there might be some graphic scenes):
Penn and Teller's "Bullshit" Circumcision episode: Part 1
Penn and Teller's "Bullshit" Circumcision episode: Part 2
Penn and Teller's "Bullshit" Circumcision episode: Part 3
 
Title Loan Man":3nez5neo said:
All circumcision is wrong and pointless, and this is coming from a Jew.

Actually.. I like being circumcized.. but I am a guy, seeing a girl circumcized would be just weird.. but I am all for staying a virgin and mating for life.

.. I think guys uncircumcized are lucky as hell though. Increased sexual pleasure + built in ribbed for her pleasure dick.. yay.
 
Brosek said:
seeing a girl circumcized would be just weird

The biggest understatement of the century. Not that is was her fault, people couldn't say "Ew... what is that?" But it isweird, no matter what. I really feel sorry for the victims of female circumcision.
 

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