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Does a "Mercy Killing" Constitute Murder..?

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You can't treat irreversible brain damage. Oh sure there's the vague possibility that you could eventually use stem cells to rebuild lost brain tissue, but unless you believe in some supernatural soul that seats the memory and personality and think that the brain is for making snot, you have to realize that what you'd be doing is creating a new infant in an adult body. Were the new tissue to function properly maybe in a decade you'd have a functioning person again, but it would be essentially a new person. That's interesting in a way I guess but it's a long way off and basically science fiction.
 
Actually last I heard we were making big strides in storing memory as data. Personality wouldn't be affected I would think.
 

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Sure, but if your brain is already damaged before you back it up you're still fudged. I doubt we'll see any practical technology in that field for a good 20-30 years anyway though, last I read up on it about 6 months ago there's a guy who's still laboring to reproduce the functioning of a pinhead size piece of a mouse brain and he's using a very respectably powerful server cluster to do it.
 
Jölnir":9do5uuux said:
You can't treat irreversible brain damage. Oh sure there's the vague possibility that you could eventually use stem cells to rebuild lost brain tissue, but unless you believe in some supernatural soul that seats the memory and personality and think that the brain is for making snot, you have to realize that what you'd be doing is creating a new infant in an adult body. Were the new tissue to function properly maybe in a decade you'd have a functioning person again, but it would be essentially a new person. That's interesting in a way I guess but it's a long way off and basically science fiction.

Actually, memory has been proven to be very decentralized inside the brain, to the point where a person can have large amounts of brain destroyed, and still manage to function, albiet with some loss of motor control.
 

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Right, motor control doesn't come from the same area of the brain that memory does. Memory is mostly located in the cerebellum, and while it's distributed across it, even minor damage, such as a concussion, to the cerebellum can cause permanent memory loss (I know this from personal experience, I suffered a concussion in 6th grade and still don't remember the day it happened or much of the preceeding 2 months).

When you're talking about complete brain death though you're talking about 100% loss of memory and function. If the brain dies, and the cells within it die, it doesn't matter if you generate new cells using stem cell treatment or whatever else. Once those cells are dead, all the connections they had with other cells that form the neural networks which store memory and personality are gone, completely wiped out, irrecoverable. The only reason brain-dead patients are still "alive" is because the functions of the brain that regulate breathing and heartbeat are replaced with machine stimuli. The body is only alive in the crudest of senses.

The same goes for extremely traumatic head injury where the patient is in a coma and 99% braindead but some simple functions remain; the more critical to life a bodily function is, the deeper in the brain it's located and the less liable it is to be damaged by injury. The parts of the brain that store memory and personality are just as dead, useless, and unrecoverable. All that's left are some of the systems that regulate very basic functions.
 
Comas with that degree of brain damage are exceedingly rare. In most cases, it's damage to connective paths that case coma and memory loss. This is why. in the very young, it is possible to remove an entire hemisphere of the brain with zero permanent impairment.
 
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Yaxor":3qofok6p said:
For instance, here in Italy it's from 1992 that a girl is on coma and will NEVER recover. The family is ok, but the laws are not. And then again, fucking pope that intromits in political matters.

Ehh, talking about someone who's in a coma for so many years is sticky business. In most cases, the person is not suffering because they are unconscious, and after so many years, they can find new ways to treat previously untreatable conditions, and it does happen with coma victims.

But then they're just a waste of space.  They're not contributing to society, they just suck up money and time and energy.  I mean there are people who are HOPELESSLY CRIPPLED but still contribute to the world (lol stephen hawking) but somebody who will be in a coma forever is just wasting resources.

as for instilled morals i have em too and they're pretty conservative surprisingly! but every time I think about a subject, if my knee-jerk reaction to do something ends up being "because it's the right thing to do" i completely ignore that and try to look at it logically.  I'm actually a billion times more of a conservative thinker than I appear to be, I just fight with myself constantly every day to quiet that conservative voice in favour of a more rational approach :P
 

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skirtboy":199uyjoo said:
Comas with that degree of brain damage are exceedingly rare. In most cases, it's damage to connective paths that case coma and memory loss. This is why. in the very young, it is possible to remove an entire hemisphere of the brain with zero permanent impairment.
Right, but those cases are the ones up for discussion right now - the ones where the doctor says there is close to 0 chance of recovery and it's time to 'pull the plug'.
 

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