Do you think this is right?

[DJ]

Fourteen hours of class? My daily quota in medicine school is ten hours, without accounting lunch hour and study breaks. Usually I spend thirteen or fourteen hours in school. Even though, I think you're lucky to live in South Korea. Where I live, not everyone has access to quality education. I was lucky enough to be able to afford private education. Anyhow, when you're a student, you hate being a student. Someday you'll realize it really wasn't so bad.

Because you are in 'Medicine School'. I heard that's a very hard school, but after you graduate,
You can get huge sum of money, If you make efforts.

But in here - almost everyone who is in high school stays in school shitload of time.
and ridiculously, When we graduate and go to college, we spent helluva less time of class in there.
RIDICULOUS. People say that in college, most of the time we can do what we want.

Sounds pretty ridiculous. When I was in high school, there were some people who would do so many extra-curricular activities, it would probably add up to around 14 hours a day. But then that'd be about 7.5 hours of school and 6.5 hours of optional activities that they (or their parents) would pick. And I sure as hell didn't do that.

Sometimes I have to work for 12-15 hours straight and I feel horrible afterward. I'd hate to think of doing that every single day.

In college I worked full time ... 8.5 hours of work, followed by 5 hours of school, and 2 hours of commute travel. That was Monday through Friday, then usually 17 hours of homework for Sat-Sun. And that kicked my ass so hard, my health started failing. I started getting sick all the time and my joints were on fire. Sucked a lot!!!

I feel for you man!! But atleast it'll feel like a HUGE relief when you graduate? :x

If i study well and enroll nice college, it will be relief. If not, the hell begins again.

 

[Danielle]

That sounds pretty terrible, but at least your government care about your education. Things may be easier for an American/English kid, but they don't get anything out of it either.

 

[Ellie]

Oh they care here, if you're rich and in Eton

 

[candle]

they only care whether or not you have the money here. and that you're not cheating the financial aid system.

 

[Ellie]

But what are financial aid systems for if you don't cheat them!

 

[candle]

they're for the people who cant afford an education by themselves, and are banking on that education to get them a job to pay off the massive debt they accrue trying to get said education.

 

[DJ]

everyone, please watch this cartoon.

this is what really happens in here south korea.
(I translated this cartoon myself.)

 

[BlueScope]

I don't think I could comment anything on the countries' situation, as I'm not familiar with any details there...

As for the school system, while that's sure taking it to the extreme a bit and can't be the best for the students... I'd be interested in if the actual content of subjects is oriented towards practicability (e.g. actually useable later on), or if it's more theoretical like the stuff they teach us over here. In the first case, you could argue that it at least makes for some smart brains

I dunno how others go about it, but personally, in my school time (I interchange working and school), I spend about 4 to 7 hours at school (depends on the day; and the 4 hours is not common, but a lucky exception on fridays for us ), but considering that I mostly do media stuff after school or work either way, I basically 'practice' a lot more than that. So, you could say I most of the time reach your timeframe as well.
The difference is obviously the means of learning. I really like the topic I'm working with, to the point where I can easily call it my hobby. I'm pretty good at what I'm doing if I can believe what my workmates, teachers and superiors tell me, so that is additionally encouraging. And most of all, I got the luxury to work in an artistic business, which can at times really be exiting and relaxing at the same time. All in all, I work and learn pretty much on my own terms, and what I want.

Thinking of myself as not too stupid, I'd call that a pretty good recipe of getting somewhere with learning, as opposed to "the school way of learning" - I never in my life sat down and 'learned' to get better at a class test... I like to spend that time to design games, do some Lego, or put my hands on a girl. Yet, I was always doing pretty decent at school. Ever since I'm studying media and graphic design, I'm pretty much excelling at any job-related subjects, and I'm glad I can draw a clear line between me and the people who have to learn every day and hard to get - oh gee - better grades than I do, but guess what: As soon as a question comes up that requires actual thinking, or expertise in the topic at hand, they're the ones with none or, even worse, bullshit ideas, while it's usually pretty clear to me.

So, my thesis is that if you learn by your own terms, following your own ruleset and making your own timetable, you do better at every topic that's applicable to. Why the Korean school system tries it with the bruteforce method I'm not sure about... but I'm pretty sure that if anything, it creates lots of people with theoretical knowledge who fail in practice if all they're applying is their school knowledge.


My advice in the end: When you don't feel like school, do what I do in subjects I don't care about: Ignore it, and do something you like to do. In my school time, I've drawn countless characters, concepted systems, developed gearboxes for my lego models, learned to fold paper planes, and spent time enjoying the view out of the window. Even if you can only do the pencil-on-paper ones of those because you'd get in trouble otherwise, I think that kind of stuff keeps one from getting mad in bad school systems.


As for the comic: I apprechiate that you took the effort and translated it... indeed a pretty damn interesting topic.

 

[DJ]

I don't think I could comment anything on the countries' situation, as I'm not familiar with any details there...

As for the school system, while that's sure taking it to the extreme a bit and can't be the best for the students... I'd be interested in if the actual content of subjects is oriented towards practicability (e.g. actually useable later on), or if it's more theoretical like the stuff they teach us over here. In the first case, you could argue that it at least makes for some smart brains

I dunno how others go about it, but personally, in my school time (I interchange working and school), I spend about 4 to 7 hours at school (depends on the day; and the 4 hours is not common, but a lucky exception on fridays for us ), but considering that I mostly do media stuff after school or work either way, I basically 'practice' a lot more than that. So, you could say I most of the time reach your timeframe as well.
The difference is obviously the means of learning. I really like the topic I'm working with, to the point where I can easily call it my hobby. I'm pretty good at what I'm doing if I can believe what my workmates, teachers and superiors tell me, so that is additionally encouraging. And most of all, I got the luxury to work in an artistic business, which can at times really be exiting and relaxing at the same time. All in all, I work and learn pretty much on my own terms, and what I want.

Thinking of myself as not too stupid, I'd call that a pretty good recipe of getting somewhere with learning, as opposed to "the school way of learning" - I never in my life sat down and 'learned' to get better at a class test... I like to spend that time to design games, do some Lego, or put my hands on a girl. Yet, I was always doing pretty decent at school. Ever since I'm studying media and graphic design, I'm pretty much excelling at any job-related subjects, and I'm glad I can draw a clear line between me and the people who have to learn every day and hard to get - oh gee - better grades than I do, but guess what: As soon as a question comes up that requires actual thinking, or expertise in the topic at hand, they're the ones with none or, even worse, bullshit ideas, while it's usually pretty clear to me.

So, my thesis is that if you learn by your own terms, following your own ruleset and making your own timetable, you do better at every topic that's applicable to. Why the Korean school system tries it with the bruteforce method I'm not sure about... but I'm pretty sure that if anything, it creates lots of people with theoretical knowledge who fail in practice if all they're applying is their school knowledge.


My advice in the end: When you don't feel like school, do what I do in subjects I don't care about: Ignore it, and do something you like to do. In my school time, I've drawn countless characters, concepted systems, developed gearboxes for my lego models, learned to fold paper planes, and spent time enjoying the view out of the window. Even if you can only do the pencil-on-paper ones of those because you'd get in trouble otherwise, I think that kind of stuff keeps one from getting mad in bad school systems.


As for the comic: I apprechiate that you took the effort and translated it... indeed a pretty damn interesting topic.

LOL. new comment...

About your advice... wow. I wish i could do like that.

Ignore what i don't want to do!

Sure, that is a really good idea. and that's how i did it in my life,
and that's the way i liked, and it was fine until the middle school!

But in high school.... (HOLY SHIT.)

wow, you are interested in drawing characters too? I also draw some characters
for my game. yay.

most of the reason i wrote this thing is that i was curious that how other nation's people do
on school, and discuss how should i get out of mess.

Ah, I was just writing down a comment for you, but somehow my chrome just got crashed
without making any notifications, so all the thing just flew away.

So this is my comment today : I will write more afterwards'

 

[mawk]

That sounds pretty terrible, but at least your government care about your education. Things may be easier for an American/English kid, but they don't get anything out of it either.

The problem being that their care is misdirected. Endless studying can actually be a detriment to real learning; your brain needs downtime to process everything and internalize it. At my university, any counselor will tell you that cramming is the worst thing you can do to prepare for more or less that reason.

It's superficially nice that they're paying so much mind to their students, but they need to focus on more effective learning strategies for them. A person's memory works a lot differently from a computer's. Focusing on endless exposure to the subject matter might be effective in many cases, but in terms of the strain placed on the actual person there are much more effective ways to teach.

 

[moog]

My advice in the end: When you don't feel like school, do what I do in subjects I don't care about: Ignore it, and do something you like to do.

no offense, but did you even read the first post? this is not really helpful to its subject matter, since the demographic he's apart of wont tolerate apathy leading into mediocrity.

 

[moog]

oh shit didnt see DJ's post

either way my point stands

 

[BlueScope]

I read it, and my point is: As much as you are able to, do what you want to keep your personal sanity.

 

[DJ]

My advice in the end: When you don't feel like school, do what I do in subjects I don't care about: Ignore it, and do something you like to do.

no offense, but did you even read the first post? this is not really helpful to its subject matter, since the demographic he's apart of wont tolerate apathy leading into mediocrity.

you've got the right point, moog.
This world is a world without any friggin' tolerance.

I read it, and my point is: As much as you are able to, do what you want to keep your personal sanity.

Okay. I will try.

That sounds pretty terrible, but at least your government care about your education. Things may be easier for an American/English kid, but they don't get anything out of it either.

The probelm is that their 'caring' got too carried away and turned into a 'torture'. Enough of all those 'cares', since we don't want it. but buddy, this is actually a torture since we have no rights of decision. If teacher says to 'do it', We have to do it or get 'PWNd'.
If they just reduce some pressure against students and care them more 'emotionally' and at least reserve their rights, them I think it will be fine. But that Utopia - It is really hard to come, since korea is a country which is afraid of changing something.
So, what do you mean by 'Americans don't get anything since they do things easier?'. You mean, easy-come easy go? or something another?

 

[Daxis]

What we learn in school will prolly not be used in real life. At all. I mean, if you're specializing in game theory and probability, then yea, maybe that calculus 3 class would have been useful. But for the most part, there's no reason to learn what it is we're learning in school. Language arts/literature has a pretty valid reason, I admit, cause I'm in a IB/advanced class and there are some dumb shits in here that couldn't read english straight from the history in 9th grade, but beyond that, electives are ridiculously more useful. Learning other languages, learning trade skills, learning programming, etc. are so much more important besides all this stuff that we're learning in Math 4. We're not pushed as hard as korea is, not even close, so we are a bit more lax on even learning then.
But then again the people that will learn will learn, and the people that won't will just fall behind. Education is just trying to satisfy those that want to learn and try and keep those that don't from falling behind.