Do YOU think they should legalize MJ??

[mawk]

Alright, I hate to post links to internet sources (since I'm pretty sure that every viewpoint can be supported by something on the internet,) and believe me when I tell you that I have my sources off the internet. Still, this looks like it has a measure of credibility, and I know that people never believe anything until they has proof, so...

Here, have some reefer facts.

Take note of the last chart, especially. This Doctor Perrine dude, when asked to rate six addictive substances on a scale of 1-100, gave caffeine a score of 70 (one point less addictive than cocaine, taken nasally,) and then made a sudden leap to 22 points to classify marijuana -- considering that all the other drugs surveyed were well above 50 points, including tobacco and alcohol, I think that a score of 22 is fairly impressive.

I know that these points are an arbitrary measure, but hey, what did you expect? Arbitrary or not, the values they represent are still consistent from one point to the next, and the chart at least demonstrates that marijuana is less addictive than alcohol, tobacco, or a cup of coffee's share of caffeine.

 

[The Cry of Fallen Angels]

I have read your post, I understand what you might have though when reading mine, but no. I didn't give out any numbers. Numbers don't matter, we won't know those for sure until marijuana actually is legalized anyway. Can assure you that over here almost everyone would try it as soon as it's available though, happened with weed. Doubt America is that different considering this case.

Moogle my response to you is:
:x

 

[Dissonance]

If used excessively MJ will fuck you up like anything else in the world.  Users beware and all that but sure, legalize it.

 

[mawk]

I have read your post, I understand what you might have though when reading mine, but no. I didn't give out any numbers. Numbers don't matter, we won't know those for sure until marijuana actually is legalized anyway.

Numbers are usually a good representation of how things would work in practice, though, so you'd do well to pay some attention to them.

 

[Stardust]

If marijuana is made legal, there will not be a huge rush.  I choose to keep away from alcohol, tobacco, and marijuana because I don't want to, not because it's illegal for me to do so.  Like Chimmy said, it is much less addictive than other substances and its hazardous effects are minimal.  This doesn't mean you shouldn't use good judgment, though.  Overall, I'd say alcohol impairs judgment more than marijuana does, though.

 

[mega_man_aXe]

*can vouch for the caffeine being addictive*  ENERGY DRINKS NOW!!!  I've cut back though, no really, I HAVE.

Heres how I see it:

MJ: Mind-altering yet less addictive, possible longterm problems, causes mellow

Cigs: Non-mind altering, HIGHLY addictive, possible longterm and short-term problems

Alcohol: Severely mind-altering, addictive, causes rage

Caffeine: Headaches, highly addictive, watch out for kidney stones

 

[rexxzecutioner]

Go lecture me when y'understand teenager minds k? It'd become a hot topic and within a month half the people you meet have tried MJ. Of who some got addicted, sure not all of 'em, but likewise, aren't of all people who drink, addicts in the minority?

lol

Most of us here are or have been teenagers at a point in their lives. That's a copout defense and everyone knows it.

 

[kaze950]

Yes. Even if marijuana was very harmful, it should still be legalized. People have the right to consume whatever they want. If they wish to smoke marijuana, there shouldn't be any law that says "you can't because I know better than you do". Its the same for gambling.

 

[craybest]

I think the only argument against the legalization is that society doesn't enjoy people with too much altered states, not everyone who drinks does it to get drunk, but everyone who smokes week does it to get high, and I think that's a no-no in our society.
sure regular cigs and coffee change you a bit, but not as much as being high does.
Now don't start thinking I'm against it, I wish it was legal, but I'm trying to understand the arguments behind it.

 

[rexxzecutioner]

There are no arguments behind it. Take a look at countries which have a far more relaxed drug stance than we do (like Holland, Denmark, etc.), and how little their crime rate is, and just generally how much better off they are.

 

[craybest]

I never said they were right, I'm just trying to understand the small brains of people in charge of the topic in regular countries where it's still illegal.

 

[rexxzecutioner]

They are uninformed or are willfully ignorant idiots? That's all there is to it.

 

[Blitz_Star_7]

If cigs are legal, pot should be legal. You have to have both of them legal, or both of them illegal. Marijauna is NOT physically addictive. It does cause lung cancer, but so do ciggarettes  so that shouldn't matter. In fact, making it legal will reduce crime.

 

[Fayte]

If cigs are legal, pot should be legal. You have to have both of them legal, or both of them illegal. Marijauna is NOT physically addictive. It does cause lung cancer, but so do ciggarettes  so that shouldn't matter. In fact, making it legal will reduce crime.

They do say, however, that smoking one blunt/joint is equivalent to smoking around 20 cigarettes, but I read that they still don't give you lung cancer. They said "researchers postulated that the THC present may have a "protective effect" by causing aging cells to die before they become cancerous".

So marijuana doesn't even cause cancer, but I believe legalizing it will, in fact, reduce crime.

 

[zornsthorne]

Right, I don't think it should be legal because, it is illegal because unlike tobacco and alcohol, MJ has a higher percentage of giving you cancer than either alcohol and ciggarettes (in theory). But allot of the time it isnt legalised as there are different types and unlike alcohol and Ciggarettes you can't get bad doses and end up vomiting your brains out or joking on your on vomit or trying to jump off a cliff after a small amount. Yes this can happen with alcohol but only if you have had vast amounts of it and your body can not handle it. But with MJ there is White widow, Grease and all other types which if not prepped properly etc can lead to bad/fatal doses from even the smallest amount. That is why I dont think it should be legal.

But on the other hand if it was legal and everyone smoked it... everyone would stop caring about the side effect because they would be thinking too much about what they want to eat.

 

[Samboy]

The government shouldn't have any say over what we do to harm ourselves. It's us harming other people that they've got to worry about.

 

[zornsthorne]

In certain circumstances maybe... But all in all why they care about us harming ourselves is because if everyone was falling over and dieing on every street corner the country would evidently be fucked.

 

[mawk]

By the way, this is about straight cannabis. All the crazy permutations that people smoke are considered "hard drugs" for the purposes of this discussion, since they are generally more extreme and harmful in their effects and therefore cannot be put in the same class as straight marijuana.

I think, Zorn, your conceptions about the effects of regular marijuana are a little bit magnified. You should probably read up on it -- if we're just talking about leaves and not other stuff like juicy or white widow, we won't get people dying and vomiting their lungs out. It's sort of like saying alcohol should be made illegal because of what would happen if everyone started taking sleeping pills with their vodka -- you can hardly hold Smirnoff responsible for people's stupid add-ons.

 

[moog]

In certain circumstances maybe... But all in all why they care about us harming ourselves is because if everyone was falling over and dieing on every street corner the country would evidently be fucked.

what

 

[zornsthorne]

I think, Zorn, your conceptions about the effects of regular marijuana are a little bit magnified. You should probably read up on it -- if we're just talking about leaves and not other stuff like juicy or white widow, we won't get people dying and vomiting their lungs out. It's sort of like saying alcohol should be made illegal because of what would happen if everyone started taking sleeping pills with their vodka -- you can hardly hold Smirnoff responsible for people's stupid add-ons.

Okay true maybe, I just have a magnified view on it because my dad was in the drugs branch of the police.

and moog it was a reply to coe's reply about how the government should not have any say in us harming ourselves.
My reply was that if the government let us do what we want and harm ourselves in which ever way we please the country would go down hill, as no-one would be fit enough to work etc.