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Detailing and Symmetry

Hello mapper friends, fine?

After a long time busy, here is the uncle Junior with another mapping lesson to you. Wink

The today's topic will be very direct and simple. We'll talk about detail and symmetry and will use as examples florests, dungeons and villages.

But Junior, all this?  :cry:

- Yeah! So, pay attention in order to lose anything. Eerything will be well explained!

Before wee see how to detect a symmetry and detailing goodly and naturally, I would like those who didn't read my anothers lessons to red, because they

address differents topics and you'll improving your skills in another ways.


The maps explication's order will be made this way:

-For the first part, I'll show a map with a lot of details, but whose were put in a random way, just to full the map.

-I will show how a map is worsen by excessive detailing. The symmetry with the bad detailing that isn't noticed but we'll show it here.

-Then, I'll show a "clean" map, with few details, but used in a good way, so it makes the map to be in perfect harmony with the environment and to make the

player feels that exists life inside game.

1st: Florest
Ex 1: The Wrong Detailing
http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee243/Juniormaker/floresta-detalhamentoerrado.png[/img]

- Look, at these screenies, everything was badly, badly detailed; which was to cause a life sensation and make the scene "fine" worsen the map. Take notice

what a few details can ruin the whole map, because the whole ground is very inconstant  with sand, grass, black green tiles and, what pretend to give the

needed harmony, ruined the map.

EX 2: Revealling the Symmetry, caused bt the wrong detailing:
http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee243/Juniormaker/floresta-simetria.png[/img]

-These lines mark the places where the excessive detailing caused the symmetry. Nature isn't symmetric. There's a error can't occur in a good level mapping,

cos the trees, plants and each other nature's details you can use in a map never can create lines, creating squares or rectangles. Well, this isn't easy to

learn, cos, sometimes, even the players notice, but for those who are careful this is a fatal error.

Ex 3 : The Good Way of Detailing

http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee243/Juniormaker/floresta-detalhamentocorreto.png[/img]

- Now, the same map of the before screenies, but with the details' number cut. I didn't do anything "extraordinary", just used the needed details to give

life and make the scene fine, cos we are in a florest where almost everything is green, so I'll use details that underline the green and, of course, used

some yellow and red tones to give a small contrast. It's needed to give the scene a real and live sensation.

2nd: Dungeon

Ex 1 : The Wrong Detailing
http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee243/Juniormaker/caverna-detalhamentoincorreto.png[/img]

-Again, in a mapa where the details ruin everything. It's always good to focus that what I want to tell that an error isn't the map base, cos it'll be used

later, and in it everything is fine (i didn't used the same tile 3 times, the ground is good, etc) but the detailing part: another thing that ruins the map

is the random mapping: it causes the lack of space to move. You can notice in the dungeon there are too compressed paths, just because the introduction of

wrong details and details and you'll see there aren't necessary to give the life sensation. In a action battle game, this lack of space will be frustrating.

So, be careful to not overload your map.

Ex2 : Revealling the Symmetry, caused bt the wrong detailing:
http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee243/Juniormaker/caverna-simetria.png[/img]

-And once again, the lines exposed the symmetry caused by the random detailing, and as I said before, besides the symmetry, there is a lack for space.

Ex 3 : The Good Way of Detailing
http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee243/Juniormaker/caverna-detalhamentocorreto.png[/img]

-Now the detaling was reduced, but the map isn't "lifeless" ou bad, on the contrary, it's natural and fine. It's good to remember that with the reduction,

the space is larger.

3rd: Village

Ex 1 : The Wrong Detailing
http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee243/Juniormaker/vilarejo-detalhamentoincorreto.png[/img]

-Here, people, pay attention, because this kind of map isn't in anyother of my lessons, so, I'll try to explain how to build a village in a few words and, of

course, looking after the symmetry and detailing.

Ex 2: Revealling the Symmetry, caused bt the wrong detailing:

http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee243/Juniormaker/vilarejosimetrica.png[/img]

-It's importante that you know villages are more symmetric than nature maps (florests, dungeons, etc.), but aren't all symmetric. But cities are more

symmetric than the villages, so I separate them in two screenies:

-The triangles marks the symmetry shouldn't be in a village, because they are nature's. Inside a village, the nature is still very common, so we can't build

triangles with nature, but in the city, it can be because it is human's creation. Even the nature details could be "built" by someone. It's good to remind:

villages are "little" symmetric, because "untouched" nature still can be found here and cities are more symmetric than villages.

-the circles are ,as I said above, some symmetric points that are normal and, as examples, there are some objects in line. Someone put'em there, it's not

random, so it'll be symmetric and it's perfecly welcome in villages. It gives a "human" sensation.

Ex 3 : The Good Way of Detailing
http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee243/Juniormaker/vilarejo-detalhamentocorreto.png[/img]

To finish, here is the village screen. In complete harmony with the environment. Look, there isn't symmetry where nature is, and if there is, because it's a

object that has been placed by someone, which is necessary (the symmetry) to give the sensation of humanity.

So, people, I want to leave clean that I talked about "advanced" symmetry. It's even hard to identify, but it's important that you know that exist a lot of

other types of symmmetry, which makes the game mappin level worsen. I'll show an example for those who don't know to be more careful:

Ex 1
http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee243/Juniormaker/simetriaex1.png[/img]

Ex 2
http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee243/Juniormaker/cavernasimetrica.png[/img]

In these last, there are the pure symmetry on the detailing and base map. These maps can't never appear in a game where the creator wants to show a good map

design.

So, the lesson is over. Here it is another map lesson. I hope I helped the maker who want to know a little more about mapping, because the understanding is

very important to a good mapper formation. And it's open again the spacen for those who want to post your maps and, soon as I can, I'll try yo help you by

saying which points need to be improved or not. But not only me, but everyone can do this too, feel free!

Thanks for reading this.

See ya.

Striker/JuniorMaker
www.reinorpg.com



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It's sad how the greatest of tutorials end up ignored like this one has.  I must congratulate you on your extremely advanced mapping techniques.  They are amazing!
 
This is nice.  It points out a lot of things that I normally wouldn't have thought about, like with certain things being at angles to each other and looking more "man made" than natural... Before reading this, I would've thought those initial maps you posted were a little strange, but I wouldn't have been able to really figure out why, other than feeling like there were just too many details.  Thanks for the help.  I look forward to more tutorials from you in the future. :)
 
to be perfectly honest, your mapping techniques are good. but you left the maps too plain.
im my opinion they looked better before you took away the details, they had a sense of atmosphere that could drag you into the map, which you took away.
I may be wrong, but I prefer maps to seem to be teeming with life and interesting things to look at  :thumb:
 
Thanks to all for the compliments, is very good for hearing this, therefore to develop this tutorial of the one work...ú.ú

On the commentary above, I left enough details so that in my opinion the map obtained to transmit sensation natural and of perfect harmony between the details. Valley to remember that the detailing of the complete map not yet this, later that I still make these stages has the part of detailing through fogs, similar lights and things, then the environment is still more pleasant, being thus I find same that this is the certain point for a level of natural and harmonic detailing.

In all in case that, debtor you criticize for them.

Briefly I will be postando others of my tutorials.

See Ya! \o
 
good tutorial, Junior.
people often say 'your map is empty, add more details', but it's important to do it right. that forest map is good example. it isn't crouded with details, and still looks perfect.
 
If you look at nature maps like those that appear in Chrono Trigger and Seiken Densetsu 3 (especially those that are cave interiors), there aren't a whole lot of extra details cluttering them up.  The background tiles are enough to bring a sense of nature into the map without having to add a bunch of other things.
 
It is good for leaving clearly that a good level of detailing is not when we have some details in the map, even though in disordered way, a good level is when we have the certain amount of details, thus the map with alive and harmonic aspect leaves, for this is enough few details, to overlap some, to work very well on of them.

Thanks to all for compliments

See Ya ^^.
 
Again I say, thanks to all for the compliments, is very rewarding to see that many are liking my tutorial.

For the next days I will be finishing the development of a tutorial one on Mapping of villages, dispatched by post here in the site that I participate and after that for you.

See Ya ^^.
 

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