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Clarative Answer regarding Vista Compatability (BuyingNEWPC)

...yes, Yes... I have read the sticky about this matter, and I have searched but the fact of the matter is if I'm going to spend like $1000 on a new desktop I want to make sure my actual primary past times work on it.

I'm leaning towards getting a higher spec PC meaning it will come with 64 bit Vista as opposed to 32. I'd basically like to see a show of hands of who and who hasn't got it working on 32 bit and 64 bit. I've read some places that 64 bit is basically not going to happen which I hope isn't true. I don't want rpg maker to ultimately decide what PC I buy but it will have an impact. I'm just looking for some security that it's iikely to work so long as I take all the necessary steps.
 

Kelevra

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I run 64 bit Vista and both RMXP/VX (even RPG2003) work fine on my own system. In fact I have not had any problems with any software or games running-that run in 32 bit.
 
As I've said in many other threads, it all depends on the PC itself. In most cases, the age of the copy of Vista it comes with a a large factor, as newer copies of Vista are apparently much more likely to run the software with no issues whatsoever, while copies from near the time it first came out often have one of several issues, despite having been fully updated. As a general rule, it will work just fine. I personally have gotten RMXP to work on several different 32-bit copies of Vista, of varying ages and versions, with little to no troubles.
 

Tindy

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If you're having any problems with Vista at all, using the compatability wizard should take care of it. Just set it to Windows XP Compatability. I don't remember if I'm actually running my copy on compatability, though...
 
Glitchfinder":a7mgqwv4 said:
As I've said in many other threads, it all depends on the PC itself. In most cases, the age of the copy of Vista it comes with a a large factor, as newer copies of Vista are apparently much more likely to run the software with no issues whatsoever, while copies from near the time it first came out often have one of several issues, despite having been fully updated. As a general rule, it will work just fine. I personally have gotten RMXP to work on several different 32-bit copies of Vista, of varying ages and versions, with little to no troubles.

That is total nonsense. I usually lurk but I could not help but pop in and say how the age of the OS( being Vista) has anything to do with it. Being updated helps, but the main thing you need to do is make sure you have DX9 installed, current drivers, windows updated helps as well, and UAC off. If you do that there will be no issues.

Just because you got Vista when it first came out does not mean you are screwed, as long as you update it all the way to the latest SP and updates its no different then buying a new copy now and updating them, they are the same in the end. I have ran RMXP in Vista when it first came out, after SP1 and currently, now I am running Windows 7, all works fine. 32 bit or 64, makes no difference the software runs in 32 bit emulation anyhow.
 
Viper2k5":jih0f8fs said:
That is total nonsense. I usually lurk but I could not help but pop in and say how the age of the OS( being Vista) has anything to do with it. Being updated helps, but the main thing you need to do is make sure you have DX9 installed, current drivers, windows updated helps as well, and UAC off. If you do that there will be no issues.

Just because you got Vista when it first came out does not mean you are screwed, as long as you update it all the way to the latest SP and updates its no different then buying a new copy now and updating them, they are the same in the end. I have ran RMXP in Vista when it first came out, after SP1 and currently, now I am running Windows 7, all works fine. 32 bit or 64, makes no difference the software runs in 32 bit emulation anyhow.

I never, EVER said you were screwed if you bought it when it came out. I do know what I'm talking about. A copy of windows that comes with all of the newest updates, and is installed with them, will actually run better than an older copy that was updated with Windows update or Microsoft update. Why? Because the updates can't cover every single angle, especially with the service packs. No matter what you do, you can't fully integrate every update to an older system. I've studied the mechanics of it. Hell, I've taken two computers and installed two different copies of Vista on them to test it. They were the same version of the OS, the only difference was that one was pre-SP1, and the other came with it. When installed and fully updated, my tests showed that the one that came with SP1 not only ran faster and was more efficient, but that, unlike the pre-SP1 copy, needed no work on my part to run RMXP.

As to 32 bit vs. 64 bit, there is a marked difference in some software. A 64-bit system cannot perfectly emulate a 32-bit system, much less have perfect backwards compatibility to another OS. The further back you go, the worse things get. I would have much more trouble getting DOS-based software to run on a 64-bit copy of Vista than I would if I were trying to run it on 32-bit Vista.

I've been working with computers for most of my life, and my father and friends have been working with computers for a long time as well. I know what I am talking about. And the one thing you should never, ever assume, especially with computers, is that just because something works for you it will work for everybody else who tries it. For example, there are a small minority of Vista computers that, for no apparent reason, can no longer run RMXP, no matter what the owner tries (short of reinstalling the OS). These computers are in the minority, and there is no reason that has yet been found for the problem. The strangest part of the problem there is that RMXP used to work on every one of those computers with no problems whatsoever.

And really, if you see the stickied thread in this forum regarding RMXP and Vista, you will see that there are several solutions within, due to the fact that different computers had different problems.
 
Glitchfinder":q5iet5mx said:
Viper2k5":q5iet5mx said:
That is total nonsense. I usually lurk but I could not help but pop in and say how the age of the OS( being Vista) has anything to do with it. Being updated helps, but the main thing you need to do is make sure you have DX9 installed, current drivers, windows updated helps as well, and UAC off. If you do that there will be no issues.

Just because you got Vista when it first came out does not mean you are screwed, as long as you update it all the way to the latest SP and updates its no different then buying a new copy now and updating them, they are the same in the end. I have ran RMXP in Vista when it first came out, after SP1 and currently, now I am running Windows 7, all works fine. 32 bit or 64, makes no difference the software runs in 32 bit emulation anyhow.

I never, EVER said you were screwed if you bought it when it came out. I do know what I'm talking about. A copy of windows that comes with all of the newest updates, and is installed with them, will actually run better than an older copy that was updated with Windows update or Microsoft update. Why? Because the updates can't cover every single angle, especially with the service packs. No matter what you do, you can't fully integrate every update to an older system. I've studied the mechanics of it. Hell, I've taken two computers and installed two different copies of Vista on them to test it. They were the same version of the OS, the only difference was that one was pre-SP1, and the other came with it. When installed and fully updated, my tests showed that the one that came with SP1 not only ran faster and was more efficient, but that, unlike the pre-SP1 copy, needed no work on my part to run RMXP.

First off, you said they are different which really, they are not, not at all. If you install and update from a fresh install its no different then buying a newer copy. Next is you tried it on two different systems, which I can only assume are different, and as such unless they are identical to the last detail the argument becomes invalid.

As to 32 bit vs. 64 bit, there is a marked difference in some software. A 64-bit system cannot perfectly emulate a 32-bit system, much less have perfect backwards compatibility to another OS. The further back you go, the worse things get. I would have much more trouble getting DOS-based software to run on a 64-bit copy of Vista than I would if I were trying to run it on 32-bit Vista.

Another thing I notice, it may not emulate perfectly, but it does so without a hitch, unless the program is calling for some library that is not there, with which with most modern software from the past 4 years or so you should have no issue.. Now that you want to bring up DOS, if you knew anything about 64bit software and the OS that runs it, you would know you cannot run DOS programs in 64bit because its a 16bit program that is not and has never been supported, unless you use DOSBox which is a different story.

I've been working with computers for most of my life, and my father and friends have been working with computers for a long time as well. I know what I am talking about. And the one thing you should never, ever assume, especially with computers, is that just because something works for you it will work for everybody else who tries it. For example, there are a small minority of Vista computers that, for no apparent reason, can no longer run RMXP, no matter what the owner tries (short of reinstalling the OS). These computers are in the minority, and there is no reason that has yet been found for the problem. The strangest part of the problem there is that RMXP used to work on every one of those computers with no problems whatsoever.

You seem to know partial information of what you speak, however as a person who is in IT, I can tell you either were told, learned or picked up a lot of false information and are simply misguided. I mean no offense, not even with my first post, however as the OP is wanting proper information I see it fit to correct you as needed.

And really, if you see the stickied thread in this forum regarding RMXP and Vista, you will see that there are several solutions within, due to the fact that different computers had different problems.

There are different ways of doing the same thing if you read the sticky, all of them deal with making RMXP run as Administrator. Turning off the pointless, annoying UAC is the easiest way. RMXP works without any issues if you even remotely know what you are doing and use the latest 1.02a version of it.
 
Viper2k5":3aeiir6b said:
First off, you said they are different which really, they are not, not at all. If you install and update from a fresh install its no different then buying a newer copy. Next is you tried it on two different systems, which I can only assume are different, and as such unless they are identical to the last detail the argument becomes invalid.

They were the exact same system, with the exact same specs, age, software, and hardware. The only difference was that one was running a much older copy of Vista than the other one.

Another thing I notice, it may not emulate perfectly, but it does so without a hitch, unless the program is calling for some library that is not there, with which with most modern software from the past 4 years or so you should have no issue.. Now that you want to bring up DOS, if you knew anything about 64bit software and the OS that runs it, you would know you cannot run DOS programs in 64bit because its a 16bit program that is not and has never been supported, unless you use DOSBox which is a different story.

I didn't say that it wouldn't work, but neither did I say that it would work with everything. For example, there are several old video games that I play that cannot be run on a 64 bit system, despite not being DOS based, and instead being 32-bit software that does not require libraries that have been outmoded. The first is a racing game known as POD, the second an artificial life simulation known as Creatures, and there are several others, such as a sidescrolling shooter known as Hunter Hunted. (I play quite a few older computer games that even need to be set up in compatibility mode on XP, and might not work on Vista. Others include Pharaoh (outdated libraries), Caesar III (Just old), Star Trek Pinball (DOS based) and Wipeout (Outdated libraries, some versions are hardware locked))

You seem to know partial information of what you speak, however as a person who is in IT, I can tell you either were told, learned or picked up a lot of false information and are simply misguided. I mean no offense, not even with my first post, however as the OP is wanting proper information I see it fit to correct you as needed.

Are you going to reply to the comment, or just comment on my apparent misinformation? I have, in my experience, worked with one Vista computer that would not run RMXP, despite the fact that it had worked fine on the same computer in the past, and that refused to let me fix the issue. Killing all irrelevant processes, uninstalling all unnecessary software, rolling back updates to drivers and software, none of it worked. The only way I finally got it to work was to actually reinstall the OS.

There are different ways of doing the same thing if you read the sticky, all of them deal with making RMXP run as Administrator. Turning off the pointless, annoying UAC is the easiest way. RMXP works without any issues if you even remotely know what you are doing and use the latest 1.02a version of it.

Did you notice that the last one was a solution for those who couldn't get the program to run with administrative privileges alone? It may be touted as the solution to installing with no internet, but the original reason I dug through the registry for those keys was because some people just could not get the program to work, despite setting the proper compatibility and privileges to everything.

I've done my research here. I was the first person to post a method that almost universally allowed people to get RMXP working on Vista, and I know what I'm talking about. There may be some reasons that you might overlook for the difference between a new copy of an OS and an updated one, like the fact that the updated one is more fragmented by default, possibly has more files and registry entries that are remaining from before updates, and may actually be different for various other reasons as well, such as the installer packages and history for the updates that were installed.

Anyway, as I tried to say in my first post: If you are getting a brand new copy of Vista, be it 64-bit or not, RMXP should work just fine.
 
Well firstly, allow me to say thank you for not just dismissing this as another moron who can't use the search function, your responses have done a lot to qualm my worries regarding compatibility.

Nothing wrong with a bit of heated debate either, eh guys!

"RMXP works without any issues if you even remotely know what you are doing and use the latest 1.02a version of it."

Thanks, that means if anything does go wrong i'll be PM'ing you! :haha:

Thanks guys, if anyone else has anymore insight feel free to add it.
 
Glitchfinder":mtyyor4h said:
As I've said in many other threads, it all depends on the PC itself. In most cases, the age of the copy of Vista it comes with a a large factor, as newer copies of Vista are apparently much more likely to run the software with no issues whatsoever, while copies from near the time it first came out often have one of several issues, despite having been fully updated. As a general rule, it will work just fine. I personally have gotten RMXP to work on several different 32-bit copies of Vista, of varying ages and versions, with little to no troubles.

I had Vista when it'd just come out and it was working fine, there shouldn't be any problems.
 
One more question regarding a spiffy new PC that is well.. a retarded question... but I read things and I panic...

Does the monitor resolution affect rmxp in anyway, say if I bought a 23' or 24' screen, or would an rm game look awful on that due to stretching... I really don't know these things.
 
Calibre":3eaglp1w said:
One more question regarding a spiffy new PC that is well.. a retarded question... but I read things and I panic...

Does the monitor resolution affect rmxp in anyway, say if I bought a 23' or 24' screen, or would an rm game look awful on that due to stretching... I really don't know these things.

Depends. RMXP games display at 640x480 by default, and will be stretched to fill the screen on fullscreen. The program itself will not run if your resolution is too small, but a monitor of the sizes you mentioned won't have that problem.
 

candle

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As long as you play them in a window, you will not have any problem. Also, I just got a brand new laptop back in december that is running vista 64x and had no problem getting rmxp or rmvx to work. In fact apart from having to get a few 64x versions of specific programs (3dsm), i have had no problems running any game or software except for a few old games (starcraft) where i needed to turn off the vista skin.
 

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