Cancer Vaccines

[tysonrss]

No this is not a topic about vaccines for cancer. This is about vaccines that may actually contain cancer itself.

I was surfing the net on the usual politics crap and came upon this. For awhile, I already knew that the vaccines were to never be trusted. I never take them, and thank God, I never will(although you are forced to when going to some schools). I came across this video where a Merck Scientist(my Mom works at a Merck place)ADMITTED that there has been cancer virus', SV40, AIDS and other things in vaccines before like the Polio vaccine. Doesn't surprise me at all though, Government has been known to do horrible things.

I know people don't take Alex Jones seriously, but he has nothing to do with the interview that never aired on the PBS news. Hell, I'm not even surprised. But don't take his word for it, there is plenty of articles and evidence out there that supports this claim.

Stop taking vaccines people, for the love of God.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H77ktqya8MU

 

[benos]

Vaccines, are the worst, inb resident evil references.

 

[Ellie]

Please read the following chapter.

It is vitally important so that shit like this isn't spread more.

It is disgusting and it kills people.

Honestly if you only read one chapter of one book ever, read this one.

http://www.badscience.net/2009/04/matth ... s-chapter/

It is not even funny how many people are damaged by the claims about HIV vaccines that these pseudoscience nutjobs make up. People die.

 

[Kingdom Ablaze]

Im with amy. i mean you are welcome to not get shots in my book free will and all. but im going to get them, they work. i believe in science not conspiracy theory's. im sure the drug companys do some bad things, but shots its not one of them in my opinion.

 

[Ellie]

Hold on a sec,

"I came across this video where a Merck Scientist(my Mom works at a Merck place)ADMITTED that there has been cancer virus', SV40, AIDS and other things in vaccines before like the Polio vaccine."

This is how vaccines work.

:x

Further more cancer is not caused by, nor is it, a virus. Seriously what is this shit? I hope it's a parody.

 

[Venetia]

This cannot be serious


If it is a joke,
then you did a p good job

If you are serious,
please ask a doctor why your opinions are retarded

Further more cancer is not caused by, nor is it, a virus.

Actually, some forms of cancers crop up when certain types of viruses "snip"/modify the sections of DNA in a cell or cell(s) which control replication rates

See: HPV, Hepatitis B

Also there may be unknown pathogens which may cause (or severely increase the chances for getting) renal, colon, & other types of cancers, b/c of WBC spikes that occur in response

but anyway yes they are not CANCER VIRUSES they are just viruses that can ALSO cause cancer

 

[Ellie]

I really cannot stress the importance of the book Bad Science.

Hell my mom was really into homeopathy before she read it.

 

[dadevvtsvre]

No. No no no no no no.

This is such an incredibly dangerous rumour to spread. The idea that "taking vaccines will give you autism or cancer or AIDS or whatever" is just as flawed as saying that "it snowed in Florida today thus global warming must not be true".

THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE DIE EVERY YEAR because of myths associated with vaccines. The vaccine is one of the greatest medical achievements in history and the fact that there is so much bullshit people believe about them is mind-boggling.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xo97VouL0ls

Nobody is saying that vaccines are 100% fool-proof. They're not, and any sane doctor will tell you. But the risks associated with not taking vaccines far outweigh the alternative.

I'm not trying to sound like an asshole, but it cannot be stressed enough - ideas like this are what cause unnecessary deaths. They're ignorant at best and abhorrent at worst.

 

[Anski]

Actually, some forms of cancers crop up when certain types of viruses "snip"/modify the sections of DNA in a cell or cell(s) which control replication rates

See: HPV, Hepatitis B

Also there may be unknown pathogens which may cause (or severely increase the chances for getting) renal, colon, & other types of cancers, b/c of WBC spikes that occur in response

but anyway yes they are not CANCER VIRUSES they are just viruses that can ALSO cause cancer

This.

The mythos around vaccinations actually causing outward, unrelated diseases are a part of an ignorant campaign that stems from some whacked part of Christianity, alá Michele Bachmann's claim that HPV Vaccinations make you 'retarded'.

Tysonrss, Cancer is not a virus nor can any sort of vaccination actually spark cancer. When you read these things, they're conspiracy theories, just as those dumb FEMA 'Death Camps' causing the 'Second' Holocaust. You are listening to fear mongering, and if you do not have any vaccinations, your chance of catching very common, lethal diseases is going to skyrocket. Please stop reading into fear hanging conspiracy theories and get your vaccinations, it's medically irresponsible to yourself and others to avoid them.

 

[regi]

What Amy, Ven, and Dev said.

Okay, there are undoubtedly pseudoscientist nutjobs out there with fake vaccines to trick people, but go to any REAL DOCTOR and you will find that the majority of vaccines SAVE PEOPLE.

Many of these false rumors stem from misunderstanding how they actually work, so here is Wikipedia's definition:

A vaccine is a biological preparation that improves immunity to a particular disease. A vaccine typically contains an agent that resembles a disease-causing microorganism, and is often made from weakened or killed forms of the microbe, its toxins or one of its surface proteins. The agent stimulates the body's immune system to recognize the agent as foreign, destroy it, and "remember" it, so that the immune system can more easily recognize and destroy any of these microorganisms that it later encounters.

Yes, vaccines contain pathogens. Are they dangerous? Most likely not. If doctors are going to inject this in a bunch of patients, of course they're going to check that these dangerous agents are DEAD or WEAKENED before they use them.

 

[tysonrss]

I don't pay a damn attention to Penn and Teller because I can't stand the loud nutjob who think he's smart and who has to curse in every sentance made.

A cancer virus is a virus that can be linked to cancer.

This idea that vaccines are healthy and do their jobs is ludicrous. To the fellow who said "I believe in Science" Well, I feel sorry for you. I don't think anyone should just be trusted because of who they say they are.

How one man got away with mass fraud saying "it's just Science"

I have to refute any claim that any Government paid Scientist nutjob may say. If you want Scientist who do their jobs for money to be in control of your life that's fine. Keep me out of it. Funny though, any chart that has information and some nutjob mking himself sound smart is credible, such is the crackpot world we live in today.

I do my own research. I don't go off on hear-say and trust someone because of who they're affiliated with. I will say that I have never taken a vaccine and I'm just fine, I'm healthy, barely catch a cold, or any virus. So no, vaccines arren't really needed to make you stay alive. H1N1 is a perfect example of a over-hyped virus that got more attention then it deserved. More people died for taking the vaccines then those who didn't! LMAO!

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying I believe in many "conspiracy theorists" but I think it's also wise to not believe in everything a Government or scientist says either. Everyone likes spreading dis-info, and many people make money off of it. Alex Jones for example, he earns millions a year, I find some thing she says made up, but other things are true. I personally believe in the FEMA camps, because look at the detention camps when the Japs wee taken there, some and many got abbused and even killed.

Bottom line. Don't believe everything someone tells you. Do your own research. I do.

 

[moog]

Are you 12?

 

[Kingdom Ablaze]

clearly doesnt know how to do research *sad face*

 

[Anski]

I'm sorry you believe that, you'll learn a tough lesson later.

 

[tysonrss]

Lol, and here we go.

The typical response I've come to get when nothing else can be said. Sorry I may have thrashed your ideology, but yes it's true, you can't believe everything you come across. Though this shouldn't come off as a surprise, it's quite sad that it has.

Sickens me how so mis-guided we are that we believe anybody with a cheap suit on and money, and fuck those who actually present the facts.

Guess that's what happens when you present logic into an argument.

 

[Kingdom Ablaze]

you havent presented any facts

 

[Anski]

I've said what I can say, but you pretty much said "nope that's my opinion and you're all being lied to."

This is the type of logic that simply can't be refuted, not because it's right but because it's not fact, it's just opinion. You didn't 'present logic', you just ignored everything said and maintained your ignorance.

 

[Spoo]

Bro, don't be so jaded; you sound like a nutjob conspiracy theorist. Short versions, vaccinations do more harm than good, so don't try to keep people that need them away from them for fear of complications that don't even really go by factual evidence.

A level of skepticism for things is okay, but chillax :smoke:

also this is beginning to sound like an elaborate troll.

 

[Anski]

Also i'm going to add that this thread personally offends me as a medical professional, and vaccinating people is something I do every single day, and I don't use non-FDAA approved vaccinations because I don't run a shady crack-clinic where a guy with a russian accent jams a needle in your arm and walks off.

 

[tysonrss]

It's not just my opinion on the matter.

But this asinine rhetoric about how vaccines are the key to every virus or sickness just well...sickens me! Especially when people take verbatim, what they're being fed without actually looking up on it. It's like if a guy gives you a gun and says "don't worry, it's not loaded" and when you're playing around with and act like you're about to blow your head off, and pull the trigger. Low and behold there was a bullet in it! But you trusted some guy or a friend that said otherwise.

The point I'm trying to make here is to actually look at the facts. Stop selling yourselves to the Presstitutes and the Government everytime they say something is good for you. This is the wrong road to travel. The day I just let someone else do the thinking for me is the day I take my 22 out my drawer here and take my own life.