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burqa ban in france - agree or disagree?

i know i know 'lol islam talk venetia' but this doesnt have shit to do with terrorism or america so!!!!!!!!!

http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/europe/09 ... index.html

French senate approves burqa ban

CNN":3hu5jvmx said:
Paris, France (CNN) -- The French senate approved Tuesday a law banning any veils that cover the face -- including the burqa, the full-body covering worn by some Muslim women -- making France the first European country to plan such a measure.

The law passed by a vote of 246 to 1, with about 100 abstentions coming essentially from left-leaning politicians.

The legislation was overwhelmingly approved by the lower house of parliament in July and will go into effect next spring.

French people back the ban by a margin of more than four to one, the Pew Global Attitudes Project found in a survey earlier this year.

Some 82 percent of people polled approved of a ban, while 17 percent disapproved. That was the widest support the Washington-based think tank found in any of the five countries it surveyed.

Clear majorities also backed burqa bans in Germany, Britain and Spain, while two out of three Americans opposed it, the survey found.

A panel of French lawmakers recommended a ban last year, and lawmakers unanimously passed a non-binding resolution in May calling the full-face veil contrary to the laws of the nation.

"Given the damage it produces on those rules which allow the life in community, ensure the dignity of the person and equality between sexes, this practice, even if it is voluntary, cannot be tolerated in any public place," the French government said when it sent the measure to parliament in May.

The law imposes a fine of 150 euros ($190) and/or a citizenship course as punishment for wearing a face-covering veil. Forcing a woman to wear a niqab or a burqa will be punishable by a year in prison or a 15,000-euro ($19,000) fine, the government said, calling it "a new form of enslavement that the republic cannot accept on its soil."

The French Council of State has warned that the ban could be incompatible with international human rights laws and the country's own constitution. The council advises on laws, but the government is not required to follow its recommendations.

The ban pertains to the burqa, a full-body covering that includes a mesh over the face, and the niqab, a full-face veil that leaves an opening only for the eyes. The hijab, which covers the hair and neck but not the face, and the chador, which covers the body but not the face, apparently are not banned by the law.

However, a 2004 law in France bans the wearing or displaying of overt religious symbols in schools -- including the wearing of headscarves by schoolgirls.

The Pew Forum on Religion & Public Life estimates that France has about 3.5 million Muslims, or about 6 percent of the population.

France does not keep its own statistics on religious affiliation of the population, in keeping with its laws requiring the state to be strictly secular.

simple question here:

Do you agree with french lawmakers' decision to ban the voluntary act of donning a burqa or niqab?
 
my opinion

Even if the burqa or niqab can be considered a form of anti-female-rights, if it is worn voluntarily, what's the problem?

Does this law apply to any item of clothing that covers a woman's face?

I should be able to walk around in whatever I want, shouldn't I? I also disagree with laws against public nudity on the opposite end of the spectrum, but this is silly.

Maybe it's just me but it seems like a government with the power to limit religious expression and/or wardrobe in general is a government with too much power. I don't see how this makes France any less extremist than the countries that force women to wear burqas or niqabs.
 
I don't think it's my problem what someone else chooses or doesn't choose to wear. I'm all for making help available if it's the latter though. Besides that, it's your own damned business.

In a free society, people should be able to wear whatever they want, and to infringe upon [what statistics would seem to indicate is the majority of] women *choosing* to wear these items on the pretext of... what exactly? I'm not too clear on how banning someone from doing something of their own free will

Frankly, if the French Government are concerned from an "Ohnoes! Islamic Extremism!" perspective, there are WAY WAY more effective things they could be doing. Stop turning a blindeye to those lovely "Holidays to Algeria" programs...
 
While I don't agree with them nor that any religion should force anything on anyone, I do not believe the *choice* should be taken away.

However, I do agree that school children, teachers, clerks, officials, in fact anyone who has to deal with people publically, should not hide their face, for a variety of reasons, such as identification but mainly simply ability of communication.
 
no they disallowed school kids from even wearing headscarves to cover their scalp (not the face). they also can't wear crosses on necklaces or yamulkes on holy days etc. which imo is kind of ridiculous. i mean honestly who really gives a shit. it's just ruffling feathers for absolutely nothing. it's not like religious symbols "force" religion on anyone or distract anyone.
 
Venetia":17p00r3a said:
no they disallowed school kids from even wearing headscarves to cover their scalp (not the face). they also can't wear crosses on necklaces or yamulkes on holy days etc. which imo is kind of ridiculous. i mean honestly who really gives a shit. it's just ruffling feathers for absolutely nothing. it's not like religious symbols "force" religion on anyone or distract anyone.

The last time I was distracted by a religious symbol was when I was watching the first episode of Hellsing Ultimate, and a vampire exploded into a cross-shaped welter of gore. Otherwise, I think people deserve the right to express their religion upon their person. What will they think of next, banning religious tattoos? If they do that, they'll have to start arresting tourists left and right.
 

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