Berserker's HKCP Contest Workshop
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Charlie Fleed
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I think that since the railing is supposed to be a little more distant from the observer than the door frame, it could end one pixel higher. And the shadows at the very bottom should be oriented toward the right, not centered as they are now.
Finally, in the bottom-right angle there's a shadow on the ground where there shouldn't be one. It is like /\ when it sould be
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I hope you can see what i'm talking about.
The all thing is very nice.
Finally, in the bottom-right angle there's a shadow on the ground where there shouldn't be one. It is like /\ when it sould be
_
/
I hope you can see what i'm talking about.
The all thing is very nice.
Scribblette
Member
If you're talking about my edit, Charlie, I figure if the light source is top left, the only light that'll be entering the base of the portcullis will be reflected light from other surfaces, and will probably not be coming purely from the bottom left.
But you did totally knock the nail on the head of the other thing bothering me that I couldn't place - the gate is set back, like you said, and therefore the teeth won't impact that on the same plane as the bottom outline of the brick.
In fact, don't portcullis teeth often fit into grooves at the bottom? Be they man-made or made through the weight of the gate itself over time. You could set the base of the gate back a couple pixels and have the points buried.
But you did totally knock the nail on the head of the other thing bothering me that I couldn't place - the gate is set back, like you said, and therefore the teeth won't impact that on the same plane as the bottom outline of the brick.
In fact, don't portcullis teeth often fit into grooves at the bottom? Be they man-made or made through the weight of the gate itself over time. You could set the base of the gate back a couple pixels and have the points buried.
Charlie Fleed
Member
Scribblette":1n6k5mdi said:
From the shadows we see I think that the light source is top-left, but a little closer to the observer than the plane on which objects are. However, if we suppose that the light entering at the base comes from reflections, it should come from many different angles.
http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/5143 ... ditfq4.png[/imgzoom]
If we considered the angles i highlighted in blue, then the shadows i marked with a circle would cease to exist.
Now that you say it, grooves would be a nice addition, maybe this is why the bottom part looks weird to me.
P.S. what does "knock the nail on the head" mean? Excuse me, Italy here
No, very rarely they "dig in"
eg-http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/uncyclopedia/images/thumb/b/b9/Stirling_Castle_portcullis_dsc06571.jpg/250px-Stirling_Castle_portcullis_dsc06571.jpg[/imgzoom]
The reason I had Darker colour at bottom was because of the lack of light, and my shadow was there so it can be slightly transparent to allow for the ground tile to peek through.
I'm gonna change the shadow colour to a more bluey one, as Vene said.
Also I'll raise gate up few pixels for the depth effect and angle the light(on the bottom) towards the right since the light is coming from slight left.
Sorry if it dont make sence but im tired right now.
BTW
Charlie Lee, hitting the nail on the head means you got it right. Or along those lines.
I'll fix te bugs up asap so I can finally upload and start more on walls.
Scribblette
Member
Oh, right. Your shadow is actually at the fore, where the ground tile would sneak through, and the shadow behind is the darker one where tile would probably not be visible. Here I just thought the shadow was at the back full stop. XD
Have you considered dividing the portcullis into beams and crosses as per the photo you linked?
Rivets, I presume, knowing nothing about gates, hold the bars together. As is, looks more like a solid slab of metal with holes punched in it, and the rivets serve no apparent purpose. Throw in those vertical lines, though, and maybe...?
Charlie, I realized what you meant about angles in the shower, and for some strange reason thought I'd already come back here to fix my post and respond - reflected light from the top left, off a smooth surface, will take the same angle on bouncing to enter from the bottom left, like you said. Reflected off a rough surface it might diffuse and with other secondary sources it 'might' make for a central upward push as I did it, but that's not the case here, as you pointed out.
Have you considered dividing the portcullis into beams and crosses as per the photo you linked?
Rivets, I presume, knowing nothing about gates, hold the bars together. As is, looks more like a solid slab of metal with holes punched in it, and the rivets serve no apparent purpose. Throw in those vertical lines, though, and maybe...?
Charlie, I realized what you meant about angles in the shower, and for some strange reason thought I'd already come back here to fix my post and respond - reflected light from the top left, off a smooth surface, will take the same angle on bouncing to enter from the bottom left, like you said. Reflected off a rough surface it might diffuse and with other secondary sources it 'might' make for a central upward push as I did it, but that's not the case here, as you pointed out.
I'm seeing some very nice critiquing in here, but I also want to give a quick little reminder:
while hkcp tilesets are more realistic than rtp or whatever, they're not meant to be realism. You don't want to overthink your pieces. You can submit the one you have already, it's a perfectly viable door. Then if you feel like it, you can submit a revision to it later.
You don't have to strive for realistic detail. If someone can see that, register that it's a blocked doorway, and it looks nice, and it looks congruent ... Well that's the most important thing.
We're NOT going to expect people to heavily research every tiny piece they do because nothing would get done
Still good advice!!!!!!!!!!!! Don't get me wrong!!!!! I'm just saying that you can take it easy if you'd like
while hkcp tilesets are more realistic than rtp or whatever, they're not meant to be realism. You don't want to overthink your pieces. You can submit the one you have already, it's a perfectly viable door. Then if you feel like it, you can submit a revision to it later.
You don't have to strive for realistic detail. If someone can see that, register that it's a blocked doorway, and it looks nice, and it looks congruent ... Well that's the most important thing.
We're NOT going to expect people to heavily research every tiny piece they do because nothing would get done
Still good advice!!!!!!!!!!!! Don't get me wrong!!!!! I'm just saying that you can take it easy if you'd like
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DONE
Ill send this to vene to submit.
I know this isn't anything but I thouhgt I'd post to say im not dead or anything.
Been having tough week(exams and assignments) and the next couple weeks will be even worse. I'll update when I can. Hopefully this'll put me in the lead.
DONE
Ill send this to vene to submit.
I know this isn't anything but I thouhgt I'd post to say im not dead or anything.
Been having tough week(exams and assignments) and the next couple weeks will be even worse. I'll update when I can. Hopefully this'll put me in the lead.