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Anime - Worth it or not?

mawk

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if you have to actually take effort to remove yourself from our culture just to get that "hey this is weird" feeling with those kinds of shows, that kind of supports me here:

unless you've moved here from ethiopia in the last year you have enough american culture in you to watch these shows (because they really don't rely on it much at all!)

p.s. the outsiders isn't weird I don't know what you're getting at. if it's weird it's because we're not impoverished gang kids, not because the 80s were so dramatically different.
 
i dont like anime because

A) 'humor' in japan just seems to be composed of EVERYTHING MUST BE TOTALLY FUCKING BANANAS. IF IT AINT OVER-THE-TOP CHAOS IT IS NOT FUNNY.

B) if its not 'funny', its 'dramatic' and 'serious' and 'gay'.

C) why the fuck does every popular anime have women with the boobs the size of a small child? Have the japanese ever even fucking seen their women?!
 

moog

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What? If anything anime women have too LARGE breasts.

But I will agree with you. I dont like MOST anime cause its too pretentious. The one's I do like are so obscure in america and we get fucking Naruto instead :(
 
Well, I don't like too much anime. Nothing against it, but eh, just not my thing. However, just like any genre or medium, I can like anything if it's good. I do and have enjoyed anime such as Cowboy Bebop, Outlaw Star, the Gundam series (mostly the older ones and Wing), Samurai Champloo, among others.

Unlike a lot of people I see, I don't blacklist anime as a genre, and if it's good, I'll watch it.
 
every berries":2dn6ymnc said:
if you have to actually take effort to remove yourself from our culture just to get that "hey this is weird" feeling with those kinds of shows, that kind of supports me here:

unless you've moved here from ethiopia in the last year you have enough american culture in you to watch these shows (because they really don't rely on it much at all!)

p.s. the outsiders isn't weird I don't know what you're getting at. if it's weird it's because we're not impoverished gang kids, not because the 80s were so dramatically different.

How does it support you? I mean, the whole point is that the Germans, Poles, and anybody else who hasn't had the experience of living in an English-speaking nation has the problem I mentioned. I mean, if you watch German TV shows, you'll probably have the same kind of problem. I'm sure if you went to a Spanish-speaking nation, you's be surpriesed when you found the resteraunts closed at what would be, for us, peak hours for lunch, that people are regularly an hour late for appointments, and that people regularly eat dinner at 9:00 pm and later. Finally, the Outsiders is NOT related to gangs, it is related to class wars, which is completely different. I say you rent it and watch it again. Gangs are generally of the same class, and they all get shit from the police, while the greasers in The Outsiders get shit and the soc's get preferential treatment. Not only that, but many of the issues in the movie don't apply unless you're in a lower-class family, mainly becasue living is better for most people than it was then.
 
As someone who has some experience in different cultures, there's not too many things that other cultures have from each other that prevents you from enjoying things if you wanted to.
 

mawk

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I'm sure if you went to a Spanish-speaking nation, you's be surpriesed when you found the resteraunts closed at what would be, for us, peak hours for lunch, that people are regularly an hour late for appointments, and that people regularly eat dinner at 9:00 pm and later.

I would. I don't see how this affects my ability to enjoy spanish tv (and vice versa,) though. there's not so much that's fundamentally different between major cultures nowadays -- minor nuances might be lost, but the differences between Us and Them rarely take center stage in most TV shows, and when they do the discrepancy usually isn't enough to jar you out of enjoying it (unless you're watching something japanese those guys are messed bro)

anyway my point is you don't have to be an american to like something like Dexter. I've never been to miami but the show tosses me the info I need to understand what's going on (when it's necessary.) things like people stranded on an island might be a convention that originated in britain and spread to the US (lol gilligan) but I don't get how this means that someone from another culture won't be able to grasp that "okay these people are stranded and they want to go home" (I mean they'll be plenty confused if they're watching recent seasons of lost or heroes but that's just the shows themselves!)

Finally, the Outsiders is NOT related to gangs

okay chief!
 
The thing is, the differences in culters appear when the cultures are seperate. Not only did the Japanese have virtually no contact with the west until modern times, but they had sequestered themselves from the rest of asia for at least a century a couple of times in history. Heck, I'm pretty sure they have a holiday celebrating hurricanes. (If you want to know why, it's because they saved Japan from Chinese invasion twice, but that's beside the point) And, I've got to point out, the only person in this thread who actually isn't immersed in American culture is Dalton, and he finds that he doesn't really like most of the American shows he's seen. He can't specifically say why, but he just doesn't like them. That's the kind of thing that happens when a culture is similar, dut definitely not the same. You get a vague sense of unease, or unbelonging, or just dislike, and you can't figure out why. That kind of thing is enough to put most people off of any show. It isn't that they don't like the show, it's that they just can't get used to it. Also, I totally agree with your point. You DON'T have to be American to like Dexter, but if you aren't familiar with American culture, you may find yourself disliking it for no apparent reason. Or, you could be like a classic Animefag and be "This is the best thing since sliced bread!" Or, you could end up ignoring it and like the show. It all depends on how much culture shock there is, and how long it lasts. And let's face it, I didn't bring up that point properly. I should have focused on things like Sawyer, being a character that isn't cross-culturally compatible, or some things like the fact that European and Japanese TV are both filled with a lot more adult innuendos and actual explicit images, and people in America are like "OMG, they just showed half that woman's boob on national TV! I'm suing their asses off for exposing my kid to inappropriate images!"
 
So basically you're saying that people that aren't familiar with American culture don't find themselves liking American TV, but those same people can turn on Anime, which is Japanese (and just as foreign) and like it?
 
The thing that everyone in this thread is missing is that the 'big debate' over anime is nothing more then one group of people (anime watchers) being labeled as lame by another group of people (non anime watchers). The fact that this discussion is even happening is really very sad. If anyone was to realize that the question, "Is anime worth watching?" cannot be answered the same for everyone, then this discussion would die off. (I can only hope).
Look... if I like to watch anime, then that's my taste. If you like to watch small dogs jump through hoops on the lastest animal planet dog show... then that is your taste. We cannot say whether anime is good, bad, or anything else. Some people will want to watch epic scifi tales (Ghost in the Shell) others want crazy mind games (DeathNote) and still others would watch people play a sport or go through nomal life (Prince of Tennis + Others).
We might as well try to answer the question, "Are movies these days any good?" There is no cover all 'blanket' answer.
 
Hell yeah, i watch tons and tons of anime, i watch Haruhi Suzumiya, Lucky Star, Full Metal Panic Fumifu, Full Metal Panic, All Anime.
 
Your "not the same culture so i no likey" bullshit is er, bullshit. Sometimes (and very often, in fact) people like the idea of seeing something OUTSIDE your culture because it adds another dimension to the show that you wouldn't see if you were part of the home culture.

Besides for an american-made TV show lost is about as multicultural as it gets, and it certainly extends far beyond just the three characters you named. The only reason you're going after lost is not because "it's too embedded in american culture" but because "it's not embedded enough in japanese culture" - protip: not everything has to have japanese influences to be good.
 
Dissonance":2ysxrq1f said:
Your "not the same culture so i no likey" bullshit is er, bullshit. Sometimes (and very often, in fact) people like the idea of seeing something OUTSIDE your culture because it adds another dimension to the show that you wouldn't see if you were part of the home culture.

Besides for an american-made TV show lost is about as multicultural as it gets, and it certainly extends far beyond just the three characters you named. The only reason you're going after lost is not because "it's too embedded in american culture" but because "it's not embedded enough in japanese culture" - protip: not everything has to have japanese influences to be good.

Actually, I went after Lost because it was the first thing that came to mind. I could just as easily have gone over ER, CSI, House, or many other shows, and you still could have made that argument. Did you know that it's still all but impossible to get a close-up of an asian actor in something made in Hollywood? (Heroes being a notable exception) The problem lies in that everyone has different comfort zones. I watch anime because I like the stories they portray and because I can understand a lot of the background quirks. Plus, unlike a lot of America, I can get past the "indecency" that so many of the older critics accuse Anime of having. (I guess they aren't ready to find out that Europe has porn channels in standard broadcasting packages, are they?) Really, the comfort zones vary from person to person. Some don't like anime because it is foreign, some ignore the fact, and others love it because of that.
 
Anime is a genre, and you cannot say whether or not it is good based on the content because the content varries so much from show to show. Some have the indecent parts others are cuter then any kid's show on american TV and still others are stories of honor with amazing action sequences. You can only judge anime for two things; the art style, and the culture source. Even then, some anime are focused in a non culture biased future or modern setting, so then the culture bit goes out the window alltogether.

Anime is medium for telling storys, just like comic books, movies, tellevision, radio, and art. You might as well as ask someone if painting is worth it. Some people find it stupid or too vague, others find it the most inspirating thing ever. It's just a way to tell a story. You can judge each individual story as you like, but a medium is so hard to judge or evaluate.
 
Wolfgang":c9sb7hlw said:
Anime is a genre, and you cannot say whether or not it is good based on the content because the content varries so much from show to show. Some have the indecent parts others are cuter then any kid's show on american TV and still others are stories of honor with amazing action sequences. You can only judge anime for two things; the art style, and the culture source. Even then, some anime are focused in a non culture biased future or modern setting, so then the culture bit goes out the window alltogether.

Anime is medium for telling storys, just like comic books, movies, tellevision, radio, and art. You might as well as ask someone if painting is worth it. Some people find it stupid or too vague, others find it the most inspirating thing ever. It's just a way to tell a story. You can judge each individual story as you like, but a medium is so hard to judge or evaluate.

You know, that's at least how I feel. The main reason I created this topic was to see whether most people here saw anime as a form of expression (Can anybody honestly say they don't like at least one painting?), or if they just say the stereotype that they've been fed here and elsewhere. (As well as the rabid anime fans who foam at the mouth)

On the topic of forms of expression, did you know that studies have shown that a bee that has never seen flowers prefers those painted by Vincent Van Gogh to those painted by other artists? Did you know they prefer Van Gogh's sunflowers over real flowers? Also, did you know that scientists have found that the wind in The Starry Night (Also by Van Gogh, btw) almost exactly matches how real wind flows when turbulent? (As in, it is cloce enough to the real thing that it could effectivly be the result of a computer simulation of real wind flow, if it had been painted recently instead of over a century ago)
 
Just like TV shows, video games, books and other media, anime has it's shits and gems. If you can shift through the one's that aren't worth it just like we do with other mediums, you can find a worthwhile story. But what you think is worthwhile to watch, no matter if it's a video game, a book, etc, all depends on your preferences of what kind of story or theme you want.
Like Wolfgang said before (quite well I should add) It's a medium for storytelling. And your going to get different opinions on it from all different people

Well, that was my go on expressing what I felt! It might not have been as good as others...but yeah. :haha:
edit: I didn't realize this topic hadn't been posted in for so long! :O
 

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