US Copyright = Bullshit

[Xaixis]

*To begin I want to make myself clear. I am NOT disputing the fact that owners should have a right to their content, but rather, I think that how it is managed is complete bullshit.*

Look, I have nothing wrong with a guy trying to protect his work from other people stealing and reproducing it, I mean that's just common sense. If you make something, then you should get credit and deserved payment and such for your work.
But I am not talking about stealing, I am merely talking about the use of material in general application.

An example, recently as I have been browsing Youtube, it seems as WMG has been muting and disabling accounts because users have used snippets of their songs for background music in their videos. This is utterly annoying and frustrating to the user. Just recently as I was looking at some of my old youtube videos, my freaking video was muted because my 5 second introduction and 3 second conclusion had "Rollover DJ" as the background music (owned by WMG).

Now this is just frustrating... So what, now I have to ask permission to use their song, which I obviously picked because I thought it sounded good, for short snippets for my introduction for my short movie-thingy? Are you kidding me?

I wasn't posting the entire song
I wasn't taking credit for the song
I wasn't selling or even remotely using this at all for any commercial gain

So what does this mean? That ALL music by any major artist is off-limits when putting together simple videos that you post on youtube (or anywhere on the internet) for fun? Seriously what do they expect us to do? Construct our own band and make our own music for short random clips? What happen to freedom of expression???

I was mad at first when they completely shut down Big Electro, who hosted hundreds of music from hidden artists (who would have never been discovered or even remotely heard of if BigE did advertised them) on youtube. BigE gave everyone credit and had a large archive and even grouped them based on their attitude (similar to the iTunes genius function). He brang so many artists out into the open, many many really good artists who would have never been discovered if it wasn't by BigE. And it wasn't like he was telling people how to get it illegally or anything, he was simply showing us the songs so that we would actually hear it so that we could by it.

Well one artist (rumored to be MSTRKRFT) decided that he didn't want anyone but himself to have his music, so he shutdown the entire account leaving all the other artists in the dark.

I can understand that, I mean I think it's kind of ridiculous because he gave credit and actually advertised the music to get people to listen and buy their songs. But I guess because he hosted it that it got removed... but still, hes not selling it and hes not trying to take credit, he is simply advertising.

I guess in a nutshell I think the entire musical (and some aspects of video) copyright are extremely strict and very controlling. I think they are very vicious and almost suffocating in the allocation of use. When it gets as shallow as shutting down random people who are just using snippets of songs for their family vacation videos, or their small amateur movies that are not after any comercial gain, that that kind of attack and control is just revolting and makes me want to move to Sweden.

But, this is truely just my opinion and I am more free-sharing than others and I wonder if I'm just too "liberal" if thats even what you want to call it on this matter. What do you guys think?

(hehe btw I'm back to the .Org! Back from my hiatus!)

*And sorry for the Wall-O'-BAAWWW*

 

[Zekallinos]

It makes me think of an hour-long radio feature from CBC that talked about that.

There's quite a big debate on that actually. Many artists claim it draws them publicity, so they gain more then they loose from people using their songs (or heck, downloading them illegally). Others don't. But it annoys me too when people are too protective. What harm is it going to do to you? It's not like their claiming your work. And I would feel honored if one of my creations felt into public domain (meaning it's used here and there). Beethoven's, or heck the Beatles' work is used over and over, it's part of culture, but it's not like their songs is not associated with their names anymore.

 

[Xaixis]

That's exactly what I'm talking about, the only thing that results from these kinds of actions will result in annoyance/anger. I know its a pretty minescule thing, but I feel as if some rules need to be corrected because tiny things like this are just ridiculous. It reminds me of a baby hoarding all of his toys and snapping at anyone who draws near.

 

[Surmuck]

It's their music, what the fuck makes you think you have more right to it than they do? IMO if I don't want people to use my songs for anything less than what I've personally approved, than I am damn well going to enforce that.

Anyway, put shortly - it should be up to the artist. If I say no don't use my music for anything regardless of commercial value or not, then that's my choice. You may have my songs, legally or not, but I still have the rights

So go ahead and bitch about them making you take your song down or whatever, but it's not really your choice now is it?

 

[Ellie]

If the music is that small of a value to your video then it shouldn't be a problem to remove it should it?

I.e. there is no problem here?

Unless the music was a vital part of your overall video, in which case you are using the music for a gain

 

[Venetia]

a.) it's not just america

b.) yes people are too sensitive sometimes but it's their material to be sensitive about

c.) there is tons and tons of royalty free music and shit out there you can use that will not net you these problems

 

[bashful crobat]

Who cares?

 

[tgman]

hmmm i only thought that you could get charged if you made money from what you used the music in

 

[Venetia]

If you're doing it without profit, you can get a cease and desist order, which can lead to legal penalties if you don't adhere to it. If it's an extraordinary case of copyright infringement, you can be sued for damages and lost sales.

You cannot be sued if it is for educational purposes with no intent to sell and it is only distributed within the learning environment (i.e. showing a PBS show in Biology class).

 

[Xaixis]

I already stated that I agree that their rights should be protected.

@Hony: I don't mean to bitch more then I have, but obviously I do, now I'm not trying to create a revolution here or anything :lol:, but it is something that has been drawn to my attention, so I'm just trying to bring up discussion and see what the general populous thinks

@Wyatt: I think that scouting down small internet videos on the internet for snippets of songs is just ridiculous. And no, they are not simply taking out their part of the song, but they mute the entire video.

@Ven: I know that there are of course many royalty free songs out there, but still, does this mean I need to scout out tiny copyright rules to make sure that I am following every single guideline and rule to make sure I am in the green?

I know I am being quite sensitive in this matter (thus the BAWW icon), but I still feel extremely angry that they are enforcing to such lengths. In my opinion such pursuits are simular as if an officer were to fine a man in Lewis, Delware for wearing pants with an elastic band. (There is an old law stating that wearing pants with elastic is a violation in Lewis).

I understand that the original artist created the song and what-not. But I think that if they are willing to sell their music, such as CDs, tours, etc. I think that they would come to be lenient on people using snippets of their songs that they advertised so much in small fun-made movies. I personally think such pursuits are just flat out frustrating to fill out forms against random people using the music within their videos they host on youtube.

@Surmuck: I have to disagree with you. I am NOT entitling myself to anything more then the artist at all, and such entitlement would go against my claim in the first place. And it was NOT the band who put up the restriction on this song, if the band JET (which are split up now) requested such, I would happily oblige, but no, it's not them, its a record company who has paid for the song, meaning they have not done anything to earn the privileges for the song other then paying money for it. Also I could see as if they wanted to remove their song from something offence or wrong (not wanting their song attached to such video) or something, but seriously... just a kid's random video on youtube? And it's not just mine, I have seen PLENTY of videos that have been removed or muted for this very reason.

And Surmuck, please do not get the assumption that I entitle myself to the song anymore then the artist... not even a smidgin, but I am angry that they enforce and attack on such small cases when that money could be used for better use (maybe paying the artist more?).

And sorry to continue this, but such small tidbits of music are great advertisement. I've seen plenty of videos where in the comments people will ask "Hey what is the name of the song at the intro?" and variations of such which just shows the true advertisement that the artist receives for his song.

 

[Ellie]

@Wyatt: I think that scouting down small internet videos on the internet for snippets of songs is just ridiculous. And no, they are not simply taking out their part of the song, but they mute the entire video.

If it's just a snippet, and of that little importance, why put it in the vid in the first place?

 

[Xaixis]

Its not the fact that it's just a simple snippet, its the fact they they have restricted TONS and TONS of music from being used as creative works in any degree. Also its not just the snippet, there is a small snippet, so they mute/remove the ENTIRE video. It's more of a pain then anything.

[sarcasm]Also, what, so should I change my video around with no intro and no background music... hell why not, who cares. It's not as if it does anything anyways. Because why argue with the large coorperation, I should just listen to what they say and let them have their way. Whatever. [/sarcasm]

Also here is a link from an artist under WMG who had her OWN videos removed by WMG for using her own music. And as she states, she doesn't recieve any of the money that she should get from these convictions... meaning the artists has nothing to gain from this... just the cooperations who owns them.

http://blog.amandapalmer.net/post/66586 ... utube-wars

This guy (while kind of comes off as a redneck bitch... kinda is) has some good points and has done some research on this. Please watch at least halfway through (the info part) before commenting on it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hla7KMY8OFA

And I guess it shouldn't be that big of a deal to some people, but it's just the fact of the matter thats the annoyance. The artist does recieve any gain from these convictions and it makes it extremely annoying for just regular people for random amature videos. This is less about using songs in the background of an rmxp game but more over just simple use as background music for the average video.

To me, its a big deal because I do like to make small movies with my friends and this really limits some options. I guess I am not posting this in the right place as the people on this board are more biased towards a RMXP environment (which I agree would be wrong if I had the same argument about implementation within the game).

 

[Guest]

;D

 

[bashful crobat]

Again, who cares?

 

[Xaixis]

i guess all you can do is get over it, shit happens, what can you do? nothing.

I guess I am not posting this in the right place as the people on this board are more biased towards a RMXP environment

i don't see how that has any relevance at all.

Haha nevermind, I guess it didn't come out in the way I wanted it to

@Hony: . . .

I dun'no, just feel like bitchin' I guess.

 

[bashful crobat]

Ноııу

 

[Xaixis]

Whoah, sorry, I do not know how to enter those keys (also I have my text set as real small so at a glance it looks like an 'n' -- from now I'll just use 'll' or 'ii'), nor feel like putting the time to copy and paste, same as me nicknaming Venetia - Ven. sorry dann wolf.


My apologies if this has offended anyone, maybe I should have put this in the synopsium for more serious discussion?

I feel like I have annoyed some people with this discussion when I merely wished to discuss what people thought of the matter.

If it truly is an annoying topic then I apologize for bringing it up.

--

And for those who care...

As you realize, with this same attitude, (and be enforced the same way) you would need to ask permission/pay to be able to host a video of you singing happy birthday at your child's 3yr old birthday party.

 

[bashful crobat]

If that were the case, you would still type "Holly"


If you put this in the symposium it would be locked. This is barely worth posting in here, never mind somewhere where intelligent discussion is encouraged. If you want to whine about lame shit that's been happening for months on youtube, whine where more people will give a toss maybe.

 

[Guest]

;D

 

[Xaixis]

If that were the case, you would still type "Holly"


If you put this in the symposium it would be locked. This is barely worth posting in here, never mind somewhere where intelligent discussion is encouraged. If you want to whine about lame shit that's been happening for months on youtube, whine where more people will give a toss maybe.

What the fuck...

Fine, I'm sorry I expressed my opinion about copyright laws and a large cooperation. I even typed detailed information about the debate and shit about what the hell is going on with the internet. But I guess because I posted the word "youtube" the topic becomes invalid and petty.

But I guess your right, I'm not aloud to post what I think and I should just stick to posting pictures of my desktop and my pets

Hell I don't even care if you disagree with me, I appreciate Ven, Sur, Z, and others for expressing their opinions with me. Its a general board, I didn't ask for sympathy or a pat on the back, I just wanted to know what .Org thought, but because it contained "Youtube" it doesnt mean shit?