Sci-fi: I think it's stupid

[Daxis]

I've seen back to the future, and yeah, I liked it pretty well.

I've seen "The time machine"(the more recent version), and I also liked it pretty well.

I personally hate the idea of time travel and sci-fi shite like this in general. I just think that all of it is so unrealistic and impossible. Sure, it's good entertainment, but I like fantasy better than things like this, because in fantasy at least, you sort of have to expect impossible things, while in sci-fi it sort of assumes all these things are possible
(I know they're fiction and all, but sci-fi just gets me)

What are your ideas on sci-fi and all that?

 

[Jason]

Hmm, if you're only talking about Time travel, then I agree it's a load of bollocks, and how it's executed in movies is bad, I mean a time machine ? Come on....

However, I don't have a problem if I'm watching a fantasy movie (Usually anime, and I don't watch too much of it) where someone will just cast a spell and leap forward in time...

And I don't mind Sci-fi movies that are set thousands of years in the future, but I mean, some movies from the 80's were like "In the year 2024, this dude used his magnificent robot tracking device to escape the technological wrath of the evil dude", and it makes me think, wow, 2024, really ? Didn't they think before they started producing the movie !?

But yeah, I totally agree that in fantasy you have to expect impossible things, a good example;
My favourite anime movie, Howls Moving Castle, has, well... a moving castle. IMPOSSIBLE ! Yet entertaining !

 

[bashful crobat]

Not exactly a topic set to stir up intelligent debate; I'm moving this to Other Entertainment.

 

[Daxis]

I now find the idea of time travel absolutely repulsive. Games and movies with it are fine, it's the idea of it I hate. I'm a scientific guy, and aspects of time travel are so annoying and impossible, which people never seem to realize...

Games are pretty fun, with sci-fi or fantasy if executed correctly- it's a game, you really don't have to stress out the unrealistic stuff.

And that's how I sort of find fantasy as: a game. Don't stress out the unrealistic stuff, although you actually have the ability to. Just go along.

Not that sci-fi stuff are bad; they can be good, just the idea of it is unappealing.

 

[Cruelty]

its kinda funny how angry you seem over this. :haha:

 

[Daxis]

Yes, I guess it must. Just don't like the idea of most sci-fi.

 

[Kelevra]

Time Travel...fiction is fiction. I have never met a person who has said, "you know time travel is possible." You must hang out with odd people.

 

[mawk]

you can't make this kind of generalization over an entire genre. even if you weren't generalizing horribly, your one argument against is bs in the first place. fiction's right in the title, dogg; no one's expecting you to believe that shit from a sci-fi novel would play out exactly as portrayed in real life, or else taking invention cues from Gibson and May would have started a golden age a few decades ago.

just as fantasy novels expect you to make the concession that "ok there is magic in the context of this book" sci-fi expects you to concede that "ok in the context of this book people have developed direct brain-to-computer interfaces and/or have made friends with space aliens." they're very similar as genres -- you can't just go "so uh science fiction is bad because it's crazy!!! not like magic"

 

[Kelevra]

you can't make this kind of generalization over an entire genre. even if you weren't generalizing horribly, your one argument against is bs in the first place. fiction's right in the title, dogg; no one's expecting you to believe that shit from a sci-fi novel would play out exactly as portrayed in real life, or else taking invention cues from Gibson and May would have started a golden age a few decades ago.

just as fantasy novels expect you to make the concession that "ok there is magic in the context of this book" sci-fi expects you to concede that "ok in the context of this book people have developed direct brain-to-computer interfaces and/or have made friends with space aliens." they're very similar as genres -- you can't just go "so uh science fiction is bad because it's crazy!!! not like magic"

Yes would be like me saying, "Fantasy is stupid because magic is so fake and not real, and who would believe in a dragon?"

It just sounds crazy in itself to think such a thing.

 

[QuantumMindGames]

okay, first off... i'm pretty sure einstein as well as more modern-day theoretical scientists have all come to the conclusion that time travel is in fact possible, but so insanely complex that it's nearly impossible. something to do with lasers and a lens that is so powerful it can see around the curvature of the universe (einstein's take i believe)... same guy who helped set the path for modern day physics, quantum phsyics, etc. revolutionized science, as well as being the original designer of the atomic bomb used in the manhattan project...

Saying that Science-Fiction is not the same as Fantasy is like saying Apples and Oranges are not both fruit. Yeah, they are different, but they are basically the same damn thing, just a different flavor to them.

Sci-Fi is the Improbable made possible, Fantasy is the Impossible made Possible.

Sci-Fi = Probably not, but not 100% out of question (altough sci-fi sometimes clashes with pure fiction).
Fantasy = Not Possible, but we are going to create it anyways through CGI and special effects.


The 80's movie you said that was set in 2024... uhm, the probability was ridiculously low, but not out of the question altogether... Quick! tell me what the world is going to be like in 40 years! Go! And in 40 years you better be right, or you obviously didn't think before you spoke.

 

[Kelevra]

okay, first off... i'm pretty sure einstein as well as more modern-day theoretical scientists have all come to the conclusion that time travel is in fact possible, but so insanely complex that it's nearly impossible. something to do with lasers and a lens that is so powerful it can see around the curvature of the universe (einstein's take i believe)... same guy who helped set the path for modern day physics, quantum phsyics, etc. revolutionized science, as well as being the original designer of the atomic bomb used in the manhattan project...

Saying that Science-Fiction is not the same as Fantasy is like saying Apples and Oranges are not both fruit. Yeah, they are different, but they are basically the same damn thing, just a different flavor to them.

Sci-Fi is the Improbable made possible, Fantasy is the Impossible made Possible.

Sci-Fi = Probably not, but not 100% out of question (altough sci-fi sometimes clashes with pure fiction).
Fantasy = Not Possible, but we are going to create it anyways through CGI and special effects.


The 80's movie you said that was set in 2024... uhm, the probability was ridiculously low, but not out of the question altogether... Quick! tell me what the world is going to be like in 40 years! Go! And in 40 years you better be right, or you obviously didn't think before you spoke.

Hot damn, couldn’t have said it better myself.

 

[QuantumMindGames]

actually, i just remembered something, and I do have to take back the fact that einstein predicted it was possible to SEE into the future, he never mentioned if going there was possible. That's what the lens that can see around the curvature of the universe was about - looking all the way around the universe through space and time and being able to look back at yourself in the future.

however, i'm still pretty sure that theoretical scientists have been saying it's possible but more than likely will never be possible do to the complexity.

Then again, they never looked around the universe :haha:


oh and replace "lasers" with "black holes"

 

[nikki]

Theres a big difference between sci fi and fantasy. In most ways, back to the future and Star wars are fantasy; the shit that happens in those stories is completely impossible with no basis whatsoever in reality. 2001 a space odyssey is scifi. I used to be a big fan of arthur c clarke's novels until I read them all. His "rama" series is his best, although for most of them he had a co-writer, some legitimate scientist dude.

 

[Venetia]

all hail the space baby

 

[Dalton]

Time travel is not excactly impossible, but you could say, that we know of no way of either accomplishing it and if we would if there was a way of surviving it.
That is because it has been proven, that time goes slower for an object that is moving and if the objects moves faster time goes slower for it. When an object reaches speed of light it should be at a state where time stands still for it.
There is a theory that states if something would move faster than the speed of light time would be slower than standing still for it, meaning it would go backwards.
According to this theory it is at least possible to move backwards in time, but how would something move faster than llight and not be destroyed in the process?
On another note traveling back in time will not allow you to change the past (like portraied in "Back to the Future"), since the past happened (we all know it did) so your future self must have been around already back than and did what it did so that our present came to be... Okay that is a bit confusing.

 

[Hybrida]

I was gonna say that! We are in 3D, time is sometimes classified as the fourth dimension. Normal matter can't be stable at light speed. Anything speed faster than light is called Hyperspace. Hyperspace is another dimension that allows matter to be stable when moving faster than light and it don't have any effect on time.

On a quantum level matter may be able to mave faster than light and go back in time. Just a theory so far. As of going backin time & changing things, then going back to the time right before you went back, to see what happened (sigh). You will be in a another future. You will be in the future of the past you changed. So "back to the future" did it right, many people can't keep up without getting lost. "Messing with time can destroy the whole universe" That's why doc wanted to destroy the time machine in movie #3. Sci-Fi rules.

 

[Dalton]

Not only on quantum level, but in reality as well, it has been proven. There was an experiment where to atomar clocks wich showed the exact same time where used. One stayed where it was and the other one was send around the world in a high speed plane.
When they were checked afterwards the moved one showed an earlier time.

And the whole sense of "Back to the Future" was only logical when you are thinking that there are every possible choices futures existing next to each other, but if there is only one universe it stops making sense, since if you go back to change the past you can't do so, because the past has happened and if you came back from the future you had to be back around then, BECAUSE you came from the future.

And this discussion about if it is possible to change the past or not, doesn't make any sense, since we did not try it yet.

 

[QuantumMindGames]

On another note traveling back in time will not allow you to change the past (like portraied in "Back to the Future"), since the past happened (we all know it did) so your future self must have been around already back than and did what it did so that our present came to be... Okay that is a bit confusing.

ah but what about the theory of the universe split into an infinite amount of copies of itself, each taking a different route when a choice arises, as theorized from the Scrodigner's Cat (bad sp) experiment - cat being both alive and dead simultaneously.


Throwing this in brings up another possibility. That if you do go back in time, then you are traversing through your universe, but the actions you take create an entirely new universe because different choices were chosen. In this new universe, you were originally in the past, and not in the present time that you came from, because that was a completely different universe you were in.



But all we have is theory. Until we prove one wrong, or one right - Or actually do it for ourselves, all we can do is speculate because we don't actually know the truth.

 

[mawk]

can teenagers please stop misinterpreting science

that is not the reason for this thread

 

[Guest]

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