School = Success?
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depends on what you want to do in life. you learn alot of practical and common sense shit in high school due to all the crap you might try (like drugs and such)
honestly I was ready around 10th grade but since I decided on music I guess school was worth sticking out.
College, although I shit on it alot, is helpful to make you successful, but its not really needed for everyone :/
honestly I was ready around 10th grade but since I decided on music I guess school was worth sticking out.
College, although I shit on it alot, is helpful to make you successful, but its not really needed for everyone :/
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I hate school. They teach you more then you need to know in high school. Then in college they reteach it only it costs more.
You make it sound like the school's responsibility when it's the students. If they choose not to prepare themselves it's their fault. Teenagers 9_9
If you want to do well financially, don't start expensive habits like drinking, smoking, drugs, and gambling. Use a freakn condom, babies are expensive. It is common sense but you don't have to experience it to learn from it.
Then again, there are a lot of stupid people in the world.
The only thing schools need to teach you is how to do your taxes.
You make it sound like the school's responsibility when it's the students. If they choose not to prepare themselves it's their fault. Teenagers 9_9
If you want to do well financially, don't start expensive habits like drinking, smoking, drugs, and gambling. Use a freakn condom, babies are expensive. It is common sense but you don't have to experience it to learn from it.
Then again, there are a lot of stupid people in the world.
The only thing schools need to teach you is how to do your taxes.
Honestly?
I find people who complain about being taught 'more than they need to know' extremely ignorant. What is up with the fantasy of knowing the bare minimum you need to get through life? There's nothing wrong with knowing more than may ever actually serve you, that's sort of the definition of having general knowledge. Faggots who just 'don't like school' might as well stop trying, no one is forcing you to, so stop complaining.
If all you want out of school is common sense, then just drop out. Maybe you don't need to know anything after the fifth grade, but why not?
I find people who complain about being taught 'more than they need to know' extremely ignorant. What is up with the fantasy of knowing the bare minimum you need to get through life? There's nothing wrong with knowing more than may ever actually serve you, that's sort of the definition of having general knowledge. Faggots who just 'don't like school' might as well stop trying, no one is forcing you to, so stop complaining.
If all you want out of school is common sense, then just drop out. Maybe you don't need to know anything after the fifth grade, but why not?
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I will say that if you look at it at a strictly practical sense, college is not worth what it costs.
To be honest, university is probably worth way less than it costs, BUT I'd rather spend three years doing something different, and then spend the rest of my life working, than simply spend the rest of my life working.
In the UK at least it's three years of financial stability. You get loans for the tuition, loans for living fees, and then a maintenance grant and bursaries that don't need to be repaid. The loans you repay, with no interest, after you start earning over a certain amount (I think it's £16,000), and even then it's pretty minimal.
In the UK at least it's three years of financial stability. You get loans for the tuition, loans for living fees, and then a maintenance grant and bursaries that don't need to be repaid. The loans you repay, with no interest, after you start earning over a certain amount (I think it's £16,000), and even then it's pretty minimal.
Commodore Whynot":1b8qe0ev said:
university in the uk isn't really that costly now especially if you go with some cash beforehand. degrees are a lot less worthwhile now though, they have been devalued over the years so much that they aren't really worth much unless you get it from Oxford, Cambridge, Warwick, Durham etc or do a masters afterwards
It depends.
There are too many factors to say anything for sure.
School might bring you to success or it might not.
Statistically it appears that school gives you a better chance of success. This is very person specific though and school might not be the way for you.
I am in no doubt that school for me have and will be the way to success all the way including university. University have so far been the part of my education which have given me the most.
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There are too many factors to say anything for sure.
School might bring you to success or it might not.
Statistically it appears that school gives you a better chance of success. This is very person specific though and school might not be the way for you.
I am in no doubt that school for me have and will be the way to success all the way including university. University have so far been the part of my education which have given me the most.
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- Zeriab
coyotecraft":rmldu6sc said:
Depends what you're taking in college. Yeah, if you're going for a degree of General Studies, you're essentially just paying 10x what you paid to learn the same stuff in highschool. But then, why get a degree at all - isn't that what your diploma is? A "General Education" degree? If you're taking something that can actually be construed as "Secondary Education," there's no way to even compare - I'm a Japanese major, I've definitely learned more about Japan in 3 semesters than I ever learned in highschool. Do you suppose lawyers and physicists learn the same things?
Also, highschools, at least in the US, are required by law to teach a certain number of things. So even if, say, in eleventh grade I learned about Afghanistan, we probably spent less than a week on it and then moved on. That's hardly "learning" - that's memorizing, and then forgetting. If you were to take a neurology course in college as one of your General Education requirements, you'd know that more often than not you have to go over facts many times before you've actually "learned" them. Going to college and taking the courses allows you to take aspects of subjects that actually interest you.
This is not to say, however, that college is for everyone. I think that we need to think less of the degrees and certificates offered but instead think of all the things we can learn about that interest us that we didn't know before - but then again, that's what libraries are for, aren't they? If you're content in your bubble and you have no need to know that the Japanese still haven't apologized to China or that the Soviets in Russia incarcerated many people with little reason and wouldn't let anyone in to see them or free them, then so be it - do what you want to do in life. That's it. Don't let a degree be your only/main reason for going to college, unless you honestly want to do something with your life that requires one and you are interested in the core subject.
As for the line about taxes being the only thing schools need to teach....I sincerely hope you're joking.
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The thing is, if you're not counting the degree, college is still too expensive to learn a whole bunch of generalities I could teach myself.
I'm sure he was, but only partially; at least learning about your taxes has a practical application.
I'm sure he was, but only partially; at least learning about your taxes has a practical application.
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That's what I mean for 'besides for the degree'.
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Have I mentioned I hate school?
The first college I went to "looked" really nice. But they tell you what you want to hear so they can take your money. $5 to park for 3hrs is crazy, sucks even more when you have classes everyday or have to make multiple trips! Then you got to get your books new because they just changed the edition. I'm even more sour about it when at the end of the semester you realize you only used a fraction of the book and have to sell it back at for a fraction of the cost.
But what really gets me is seeing this kid, let's call him "special" or "mentally disable", who sat in the corner of my design class drawing out of a Disney coloring book. I'm sure the parents have money to keep him happy but it disgusts me that the school would take their money and place him in a class room where he doesn't do anything. He should have a special tutor or something.
I have more reasons why I left.
But back on topic. I guess it depends on where you live. Different schools teach you different things. Financially, they give you advice but they aren't the ones making the decisions. Besides, life is unpredictable. Being smart doesn't make you lucky.
The first college I went to "looked" really nice. But they tell you what you want to hear so they can take your money. $5 to park for 3hrs is crazy, sucks even more when you have classes everyday or have to make multiple trips! Then you got to get your books new because they just changed the edition. I'm even more sour about it when at the end of the semester you realize you only used a fraction of the book and have to sell it back at for a fraction of the cost.
But what really gets me is seeing this kid, let's call him "special" or "mentally disable", who sat in the corner of my design class drawing out of a Disney coloring book. I'm sure the parents have money to keep him happy but it disgusts me that the school would take their money and place him in a class room where he doesn't do anything. He should have a special tutor or something.
I have more reasons why I left.
But back on topic. I guess it depends on where you live. Different schools teach you different things. Financially, they give you advice but they aren't the ones making the decisions. Besides, life is unpredictable. Being smart doesn't make you lucky.
Schools don't do anything. You can get by just as well if you train yourself, but the world is engrossed with the concept of education, so you'd better go. Now, school develops social skills, which you WILL need.
What I think is, if you have a sizable portfolio that shows a large amount of experience, then- Go for it. If not, get a degree. As an example, my cousin is a Business Major/Japanese Minor- He works as IT. :3 School was helpful, eh?
If you look into it right, school isn't that expensive. Scholarships and financial aid- Hope College's summer research program has a 4,500USD stipend.
What I think is, if you have a sizable portfolio that shows a large amount of experience, then- Go for it. If not, get a degree. As an example, my cousin is a Business Major/Japanese Minor- He works as IT. :3 School was helpful, eh?
If you look into it right, school isn't that expensive. Scholarships and financial aid- Hope College's summer research program has a 4,500USD stipend.
Feldschlacht IV":2smc95f5 said:
Would you be comfortable driving over a bridge built by a self-taught civil engineer? Or flying in a plane designed by someone who learned aerodynamics from wikipedia?
Trust me. If you plan to do ANYTHING technical in your life (Science, Engineering, architecture, medicine etc.) you can not tech yourself all you need to know. General subjects, maybe. Arts, definitely. But anything math-based, forget it.