Question for all you Christians out there

[Jonathan]

I have read someone say in a book that everything is wrong until God says it is right. I'm not sure whether i agree with that statement or not, so i would like to get other people's opinions on it.

Of course, non-christians can vote as well, on the poll i have put options for non-christians as well, it would be interesting to see what results it throws out.

 

[Roman Candle]

If being spiteful/horrible to someone is wrong, then I think that pretty much covers everything. If the Bible had to list everything which was wrong, and everything which was right, no one would be able to read all of it. As long as you stick to pretty much being a nice person, there's not that much wrong you can do.

 

[sixtyandaquarter]

As far as I've seen in any of the main religions, and most if not all dead/minor ones, there's (in the everyday) very little "wrong" as opposed to "frowned upon". I never liked any "right or wrong" judgements, it doesn't work on society. Circumstances I think make a difference, and as RC said, you couldn't possibly list all the rights or wrongs, let alone the possible occurences and spark of the moments that might allow for such things that were "right" to be violated, and those that are "wrong" to be allowed.

And I don't think, even when I was a Christian kid in any of the 3 different schools (with different sects of faiths) that it was ever stated that God said anything was "right" or "wrong". I've seen statements of "good" and "bad", "just" and "unjust", and I've seen the good and just in one book, in another with a different spin on the event, be bad and unjust.

EDIT:
Correction, I have seen "right" be used and "wrong", realizing that I had just typed something without fully thinking (again) I'll add the thought here... In most of those cases I just thought up, and can remember, I didn't see a correlation to another opposite action automatically being "right/wrong". In one case I can remember (can't quote, if it becomes an issue or debate, I'll find it, and if I can't I'l lretract my statement), one action is wrong. But just a few phrases behind that, the exact opposite action is viewed also as wrong. I remember because I got that question wrong in class and it ruined my nearly half year 100%/A+ grade streak... because I assumed if action A was wrong, then the opposite would be right...

 

[Grandor]

With free will it's basically up to you to decide what is right and what's wrong. God isn't really deciding anything when you have control of yourself. Then you have to ask yourself can God make mistakes. If the answer to that is yes, then you know that what he says is right or what's wrong can be entirely just because he might have made a mistake. It's your own conscious and moral that decides when something is wrong or not. Now, if that comes from God that's another story.

 

[Jonathan]

The Law (ten commandments etc.) is there as a guideline though, as is the conscience (which i reckon does come from God).

 

[The Storyteller]

The poll question I can not answer, because if you know it is against God's ruling then it is wrong. If its wrong than its wrong, if its right its right. There is no wrong until God says it is okay.

Example:
You think it is okay to murder someone if they have murdered your wife lets say.
You do the deed then find out God says no it is wrong. You have murdered, gone against God's rulings when you could just read the Bible and know its wrong.

Christans should know something is wrong or right to begin with, anybody should know wrong from right.

That is just me though.

 

[Hisuwashi]

It is a difficult question... I'm a Christian and I said that Everything is wrong until God says it is right.. I don't know whether I can trust a book that i haven't seen but I believe this because of the laws such as tax collection which is seen as sinful, when it's not a natural law... like "murder is bad".

 

[Jonathan]

yeah. I think i agree with you, Hisuwashi. It is a difficult question, but i reckon that it is better to be 'pessimistic' and not do something wrong by accident than optimistic and end up murdering someone cos you thought it was ok. Read the bible and ask God before a decision probably sorts it all out though.

off topic, but what does your sig mean?

 

[Roman Candle]

How can you do something wrong by accident? If what God wants is repentance, then as long as you don't try to dodge guilt, does it even matter what you do? As long as you believe you're right, and you're not told it's wrong by the Bible, then you're abiding by Gods law. The onus is on you to make sure that you're doing everything that you could be expected to do, and beyond that, you're pretty much in the clear.

 

[FlippyD]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_qG3WaVJOo

Defining what's write and what's wrong is like holding water in your hand. Besides, the Bible doesn't list everything that would be considered evil and answers it (unless you follow The Law) moreso, I believe God speaks to those who need it at that time because there's no other way. Moses and the Ten Commandments was for that time and Jesus' teachings were for the time he was in. After Jesus Christianity and Yahweh became uber-popular, so there was less importance on God intervening in human affairs.

The statement of the OP I think generates from some extremists who want to control the populace. Who can honestly believe that statement? That obviously means that breathing, eating and sleeping are all sins because God didn't come down and tell people it was ok to do that.

Though, really this post was an excuse to show off my favorite Twilight Zone episode.

 

[djzalzer]

"Do unto others as you would have them do to you. For this sums up the law and the prophets."

So yeah, Just if you're wondering, ask yourself "Would I want someone to do this to me?" and if the answer is no, then don't do it.

At least that's my philosophy.

 

[lunarhiro2002]

I didn't vote cause I think the question is flawed in its conception of God...

Plus i need you to define "right" and if we can also consider Genesis in that God said that what he created was "good"...

So...the answer to that question is very simply yes...God makes everything right and since he is God, He cannot create a flaw. His creations create flaws but thats it...I think...er not to be too simplistic...I mean

 

[Nidhogg]

Well, if I aplied this to my mother, everything is wrong untill she says it's right. But you're talking about god here. You can't simply say that god tells us what is right and what is wrong. If you ask, for example, if you can run naked in the streets, you wouldn't get an answer... But, as the bible say, using clothes was one of the first wrong things Adam did(Not that I actually believe the bible, but that's an example), but if you don't use them, you'll sure be arrested the first time you leave your house.

 

[FlippyD]

"Do unto others as you would have them do to you. For this sums up the law and the prophets."

So yeah, Just if you're wondering, ask yourself "Would I want someone to do this to me?" and if the answer is no, then don't do it.

At least that's my philosophy.

I'd like hot random people to jump out at me and have make-out parties and chicken wings with hot sauce, doesn't mean someone else might like it.

 

[Roman Candle]

"Do unto others as you would have them do to you. For this sums up the law and the prophets."

So yeah, Just if you're wondering, ask yourself "Would I want someone to do this to me?" and if the answer is no, then don't do it.

At least that's my philosophy.

Unless of course what you want is to have gay sex with your boyfriend.

 

[Jonathan]

What that means is don't Steal from someone if you don't want to be stolen from. You should go from the "do towards others" bit to what you should do, as in Look at the action (in this case stealing) and think "No, i wouldn't like that done to me". You shouldn't think: "Yeah i would like someone to jump out with no clothes on" and so go and do it. This guidline is all about putting yourself in other peoples shoes, rather than putting them in yours... if you get what I mean... You also need to be sympathetic.

@Lunahiro: The question was referring to things that were morally right.

 

[FlippyD]

What that means is don't Steal from someone if you don't want to be stolen from. You should go from the "do towards others" bit to what you should do, as in Look at the action (in this case stealing) and think "No, i wouldn't like that done to me". You shouldn't think: "Yeah i would like someone to jump out with no clothes on" and so go and do it. This guidline is all about putting yourself in other peoples shoes, rather than putting them in yours... if you get what I mean... You also need to be sympathetic.

@Lunahiro: The question was referring to things that were morally right.

EDIT: Nevermind, your wording confused me.

 

[Lene]

I thought the Golden Rule was one of those things filed under common sense.

I guess not. Explains a lot.

I agree with Jonathan's interpretation of how it's about putting YOURSELF into someone else's shoes, not the other way around.

 

[Roman Candle]

It was just an example of where that rule does not sumarise the Bible's teaching. I wasn't implying that if you want to have sex with someone that you should rape them ^_^ :p

 

[Jonathan]

fairy nuff.