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New music (Plus a question)

Hello, I wanted to put this in a music discusion forum but I don't see one. Please move this if it doesn't belong here.. I use FL Studio.

I'm trying to be at a good place with my music and I feel I might be pretty close...

http://www.box.net/shared/uv8lhb9633

This, above, is my latest track. It starts as a slow melow relaxing tune then shifts to a high spirited uplifted tone, then to a dark mysterious tone then to a battleish tone.

Tell me how it sounds and give me tips to make it better if you can.
Any tips I'd greatly appreciate it thank you...
 
Nazra7, after listening to your piece here I have to agree that there are numerous moments where notes are out of key, and not in a pleasing way; the most notable at 1:07-1:21 when the woodwinds come in.

As far as the rest of it goes, disregarding the pitch issues, I'm not sure if you were intending this to loop or be played once (or to be for an rpg for that matter) but at 1:40 it seems to turns into an entirely different piece altogether, with a different atmosphere being projected from the first 1:40. I really dig the atmosphere you have in both parts, it really reminds me of Vagrant Story's music (Which is a compliment).

I like the idea of a bell but I feel that soundfont for this one is too ear piercing to be enjoyed and kills the mood after awhile. (And I'm not talking about the cool chiming bell but the one that plays the melodic lines)

Be extremely mindful of what notes are being played on EVERY instrument for any given chord. If your strings are holding out a "C" note and your bell is playing "D-D-D-B-C#-D" you better believe it's going to have a very dissonant sound.

As a side note, there are a few reasons why you may have a problem with pitches, but I think the predominant reason may be a lack of knowledge when it comes to scales and chords. Try brushing up on what Major Scales sound like, the easiest being C Major (Consisting of the notes C-D-E-F-G-A-B-C). And then learn a little bit about building basic chords, like "C-E-G", "F-A-C", etc. to gain a feel for the kind of notes that sound and work well together. Right now it seems you may be making all the parts at different times,individually, and when you put them together they're clashing because of the notes not being in the right key with one another.

Other than the pitches I still liked it. Make more stuff! :smile:
 
thanks for the tip, and I agree that my problem with pitch is not knowing chords and scales very well. I'm learning though. i just wanted to know if anyone had like an easy way to do it that I don't know about lol... Like when I was asking for a realistic VST, like hardley any vst sounded any good because I didn't know I had to put a reverb on it or how to do that but I know that now.

If you listened to the part at the end it was really off beat. I fixed that so it sounds better. And maybe ear piercing is because it's too loud... Maybe if I turn the volume down right? I didn't do that yet but I will next time.

I want to make this piece as perfect as possible so I'll fix it and update it several times probably. I'm going to attempt to fix the pitch as soon as I know what note to use...

Also because of the way the time line in fl studio is set up its very hard to keep track of the note's length which messes me up a lot. I wish there is a way to change it to fit my song's tempo... If there is please let me know how to do it thanks.
 
What do you mean by a note's length? Don't you have these green boxes in FL Studio?

http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/87/flstudios.jpg


You can try making it softer but it's not going to help but it make a softer out-of-place sound. Try experimenting with a few other instruments, you'd be surprised how something else entirely different can help give an unexpected, better sound.
 
yes, i have the green boxes, but see where the numbers are and the bold lines through the timeline? To have a custom tempo those make it very difficult to create one and manage it because you can't change the length of the timeline which makes me have note length problems...

See, I have to use those to keep track of where notes are but I have to use a tempo that will fit in that timeline or else it will be all messed up... It also contributes some to pitch problems because I can't keep track of which note is on what key in a custom tempo. And when I try to make music in it I don't ever seem to get the right speed and note lengths... its always too long or short it seems...

I was wondering if that can be adjusted...
 
Are you making the tempo based around the pitch length of every note? In other words, are you fitting the tempo around the music rather than the music into the tempo?

Please take a screenshot one of the places that these green boxes aren't lining up so I can see what's up.
 
ah well in this song its based off a song in the game called wakfu, the tempo is much faster than mine because if i try to make it that tempo it becomes very hard to keep track of the notes ect.

Look how much faster this song is compared to my version

http://www.wakfu.com/en/media/music

click on 28-La Nuit 01

I tried using this tempo and made a monster lol...
 
in FL studio, the grid is set by default to 4/4 timing, with each box being a 16th note, the numbers at the top refer to the measure #. the bold lines would be where the timing count is at, like 1, 2, 3, 4 (measure2) 1, 2, 3, 4. so a green "box" that spans 4 little grid boxes is a full beat in length with the default setup, in that screenshot posted by gadget, those short ones are 16ths.

personally i like to set my tempo to about ~89-110 bpm

help.png
 
And here I thought you made that yourself. Why are you recreating that track? If your only goal is to get it to sound exactly the same it's going to take listening and some trial and error. If you want to make your own music try making your own music and start on something less ambitious by learning the basics first, so that way you, too, can create more elaborate music in time.

Btw, Awesome picture there Gulch, should sticky that one with FL Studio used as much as it is around here. :grin:
 
i posted something to help you out a bit with visuals, i beleive the note length reference is correct but i could be wrong, im pretty much self taught on the subject, but its close enough to give you an idea
 
I thought if I could master this and learn how to do thing along the way would be a good idea. Thats how I usually learn. I'm not trying to make the notes exactley the same as the original I'm just trying to make it sound right and not off note with all the other instruments in my version. The tempo is what I wanted to be the same really so I was just wondering if there was a way to fit it to that song.

I have a hard time trying to think of my own music.. When I do I think of a song thats already made lol...

gulch, thanks this will come in handy. So when I'm making music I should only need to use these note lengths? Or just multiples of the 16ths and not any other length?
 
also, i dunno what version of FL studio youre using, but over on the side in the browser (where the instruments and stuff are) there should be one called scores, and inside scores there are reference scales, if you drag one into an open piano roll it will show you the notes in the scale you drag over
 
ok heres a problem with the tempo i run into several times while trying to make music... it only sounds bad because i cant keep track of the notes so its hard to tell where to place them and remember where they are without looking back a million times... this is why i want to change the time line numbers to fit my tempo

annoyingtempo.jpg
 
the song is not in 4/4, but the program's timing is. and also youre zoomed all super tiny on the piano roll which makes it a lot harder to see what you need to change it to to get the notes to line up with the grid
 
it seems you need a little practice in rhythm and timing 101. also a little about song structure.


seems like everything is in key, but those bells..i dont like them, drop it down an octave at least theyre too piercing.

not sure if you know what an octave is. so for learning purposes, look at that picture i posted up a few posts, the major scale i referenced for you, is one octave starting at C and ending at B. C--->B is one octave on a piano.

now to drop that bell part down an octave you would just select all of the notes and move them all down together (ctrl+a or hold ctrl and drag a box over all the notes) now to make it easy just move the first note of that part down to the next lowest same note (example: if it starts as a C drop it down to the next C)

some of the little parts that try to get a bit more elaborate towards the end sound a bit odd on timing, like they start too early/late i can see hear what you were going for but i think you just need a little more practice and knowledge
 
for the notes that are off a bit, are you talking about the flute, harp, or viola?
i kind of did that on purpose for a bit of artistic style. Would it sound better if they where all on the same note? like they all play at the same time?
 
(this bit is for the song you posted 2 posts above mine) pretty much the whole string part is off in different ways at different places, some places the timing is weird, some places the notes are very out of key sounding, maybe they just clash with the lead, but they sound out of key or very sharp, the string part right before that little rising scale bell/harp thing you threw in there is very off time, almost sounds like 2 songs are playing at the same time.


my advise to you for now would be to start a new song, stick to a major scale. and just use 2 instrument channels, both piano, do one as the right hand (right half of the piano/lead) and do the other as the left hand (left half/rhythm) and try to write a song with just the piano to keep it simple.

work on a few things, timing, song structure, sticking with the scale, using simple major chords, 5ths and 3rds (look at my example pic for reference).

now a couple things to keep in mind that dont sound good.

1) lets say your left is playing a major chord with C, E, G. you dont want the lead playing a D or an F because then its gonna sound like youre just mashing the keyboard with your fist. playing 2 notes right next to each other simultaneously sounds bad. if you play c+d together is sounds bad, but c+e sounds good.

for example at what im trying to tell you do do here, lets say your left hand is playing some 3rds c+e >d+f > e+g > f+a, if you played on the right to accompany it d > e > f > g, it would sound like shit, but if you played f > g > a > c it would sound alright. it would be very simple and plain but for example sake i kept it that way. just try keeping all your note within 3rds and 5ths of eachother for now to get a grasp of it

2)stick with the timing. you dot want to try starting stuff a odd places in a progression.

take for instance you have your left hand doing a basic rhythm, with a chord at each quarter section of the grid, you dont want to start lead parts at odd intervals at say, 2 or 4 (if you look at the grid, you have 4x4 squares like |---|---|---|--- | is a bold line, - is a fine line, you dont want to start a note in the lead at the #2 or 4 of the fine lines, you want to start notes at 1 or 3.)

personally i will do some of the things i say not to do, but i do them on purpose to do syncopated parts(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syncopation), make some songs have a creepy sound (off key, or 2nd notes)

its kinda hard to explain with just typing but hopefully you understood that, if not ill get you a screenshot of what im talking about.

just start simple and get a grasp for timing and note placement and move on from there
 
ok ill post a new post for the new song, the last post is a bit full already. much better, but there are still parts that dont sound right as far as what i mentioned above is concerned.

main gripe i have is the part after the little section where its just horn, like 2/3's or so thru the song, when the lead comes in, it sounds very sharp, partly because of the instrument, but partly because the high parts notes down go with the low horn as well as they could, it sounds like the hight part is the same notes as the low, where as if you dropped the high part down 2 notes to make it a 3rd of the horn it would sound a lot less piercing and sharp.


just read over my last couple posts and put what i said into consideration when youre writing and youll have a lot less notes clashing
 

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