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Macs, Laptops and prices

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So my home computer's now something like 5 years old, and my work computer isn't much better (though I have no idea, but its worst than my home computer at any rate).

I still have an old Radeon 9800 Pro graphics card which, although it supports most games, is starting to show its age (what with not playing Bioshock, Fallout 3, etc.). My sound card is an old SoundBlaster Audigy 2 and, although it does the job, like the graphics card, it's starting to show its age.

So I figured I'd buy a new one; why not a laptop? Laptops are becoming incredibly powerful and are able to run pretty much any games nowadays, and it'd solve the problem of having a sucky home & work computer; plus, classes would become insanely more interesting.

Except that laptops in general are pricey, especially since I want one with a good graphics card and stuff; harddrive space is more or less irrelevant since I have two external SATA drives, so it's pretty much all about the CPU, the RAM, the graphics card, the sound card and whatever other neat thing comes with it.

And, as you might've guessed, I've thought about buying one of the new Macs (not the Air though; seems expensive as fuck for nothing). They're much more expensive than the others, but still, I assumed (maybe wrongfully) that they were worth the price? The GeForce 9400M looks pretty neat for the price and all.

Now, I'm not too keen on processor speeds; I currently have an AMD Athlon64 2.0GHz, so you might guess that I'm pretty eager to make the big move to dual core. The Mac offers a Intel 2.0GHz Core Duo, but I have no real idea of how good it is; I can see it's probably enough for whatever I might need (since I'm not doing heavy computational work like FACTORIZING PRIMES WITH 200 DIGITS and BREAKING RSA ENCRYPTION), but that's about it.

It's got 2GB of DDR3, which is much better than what I have right now, 5 hours of battery life (no idea if that's good or not), and it weighs only 2kg. Now, even though weight might not count for some, I've lugged around an old laptop for two months, and its a fucking pain in the ass to do.

They offer the same one but for 300$ more, and it's got increased CPU power (2.4GHz Core Duo), 4GB DDR3 (do I really need 4GB...?), and 320GB harddrive (yeah, again, I don't think I really need that).

Or maybe I should be looking into other stuff; I just figured that if I had a Mac, I could run ANY OS from it, whereas if I have a PC, it's a bit harder to find a Mac OS X image and stuff. Plus, I admit, I'm a sucker for TextMate and the other web development tools. And it ships with Ruby (I think?).

So anyway...worth the price? Or should I be looking at other companies? Or are laptops fucking underpowered for the same price compared to desktops.
 
Macs have no trackpad buttons.

Actually, You'll love the net MacBook Pro. Great graphics card, great display, and furthermore when OS 10.6 Snow Leopard comes you, you'll be able to use your GPU to supplement your CPU.
 
It's worth the price. Honestly, the new macbooks are the only laptop I'd recommend atm, and OS X is just amazing.
Also, the pros have dual gpus, and like cocoa said, you will be able to supplement your cpu with the gpu, because its on the same chip.

Also, the trackpad technology is really cool.
And the viewing angle of the LCD is amazing.
 
@smiling snail, the: It's actually not more expensive. It would cost the same or more in some cases to purchase a Laptop with the same specs, and qualities (not to mention that non-Apple machines don't have GPU cannibalism just yet).
 
The new trackpads lack a button- that's it. The 4 finger-ness can be reproduced on a older macbook pro with the new software.

Buttons are cooler, anyway.
 

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I'm confused, you started off talking about gaming specs and ended talking about shipping with Ruby. What exactly do you want out of a machine? If you really want to do serious gaming forget about a laptop, a mac, or any general-purpose machine and spend the money on a quality homebuilt gaming desktop (protip: black friday is coming soon, if you live near a decent city you HAVE to hit up the electronics stores).

If you want a kickass development box on the other hand I highly recommend laptops of any brand. Macs are really sexy, and if you do a lot of graphic design and have money to blow the Modbook is awesome. If you want a PC, HP actually makes some really sexy little notebooks with stylish cases, decent specs and lots of portability - I just saw a reasonably powerful little HP Tablet PC in the new style for under $1000 at costco. One thing I DON'T recommend is buying a gigantic 15 pound brick with a 17 inch widescreen. Those things are not laptops, they are the worst of all worlds - combining the impracticality of packing around your desktop with the poor performance of a laptop. You cannot come out ahead with them and you will regret it later. Get something small and lightweight with a screen you think you can look at and a good serving of RAM and HDD, forget about the power.

Also see the various other "gaming laptop" threads here for more of my rants on the subject.
 

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Most of what I do on my computer is development anyhow, but I'd still like to be able to play games. But yeah, mostly development stuff.
 
I believe that tablet at costco also has wacom sensitivity :D
But the macbook does have a dedicated graphics card (geforce 9400), and you have the opportunity to use os x and winblows.
 

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Yeah it's penabled :) It's really nice for its price, I paid more than twice that for my current tablet several years ago and its specs aren't as good, except for the screen res being much better. But I haven't seen a tablet above 1280x800 for a while (which is a pissoff). If I could afford a modbook I'd go for that, as it is I will probably be getting a Fujitsu or maybe going cheap and grabbing that HP.
 
Smiling Snail: I have the same problem as you. I'd really like a laptop for Christmas but I'm not sure what to get.

I've looked at the Mactops and really love them. But most programs I find are Windows only. Pisses me off! I've also looked at a Dell XPS, I've heard those are very good but the battery power sucks.

Since I dont have a highspeed internet, I'll be taking this laptop everywhere with me. I would like to use this laptop for severl things...

Macromedia Fireworks, Dreamweaver, and Flash, Photoshop, RMXP and RMVX, Oblivion/Fallout 3, and major downloading...

Can someone point me in the right direction?
(Don't forget about Smiling Snail! This is HIS topic!)
 

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The fact that most stuff is for Windows isn't much of a problem in my case; I'll be running a XP and a Debian with VirtualBox anyway.
 
Well if you want to play games but still have a mac, run Bootcamp and install a Windows XP copy. If not, you're really going to be lacking in the games department for a Mac.
 

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Don't get a laptop for playing games, period. Buy a cheap laptop with 3gb ram and say 200gb hdd space, then build a modest gaming desktop.

If you really, really must have Oblivion and Fallout 3 and whatever else wherever you go and you don't mind if the visuals are not impressive compared to what you'd get in a desktop, and you don't mind the occasional framerate loss, and you don't mind losing your game when the batteries get low and Windows goes into hybernation, and you don't mind either playing on the touchpad or bringing along a small mouse, then get yourself a reasonably priced laptop with dedicated video memory(not shared!) and preferably an offboard, not integrated card. But I am warning you, you will be dissapointed, frustrated, and remorseful when you get the next big game and it runs like shit, and you start thinking "gee I could have built a gaming desktop and got a cheaper laptop and enjoyed this game the way it was supposed to be played".

The reason I rant about this is because every single person I ever sold a gaming laptop to, or who after listening to me rant bought one anyway, has had the exact same experience.

"This thing is a non-portable brick, totally inconvenient to travel with, so big I can't even use it on the bus/in an airplane and it weighs as much as your momma"
"games don't run that well on it"
"I could have had better performance for half the price"
"Online play over the low-power laptop wireless connection sucks"

Really, really think hard about this. Gaming is about the experience, immersion and competition, and nothing fucks that like a tiny screen, bad framerates, lag, and a shitty little keyboard, shitty little mouse, and tinny little laptop speakers.
 

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Oh. Don't get me wrong; I'd be playing games at home, with my comfortable USB mouse, wireless keyboard and 19'' screen.

I mean, I'm not much into cutting edge games; sure I would like to play Fallout 3, but I think that's about the most intensive one I'd play. I don't really have much time to play games, so I play stuff like World of Goo and that kind of shit (awesome shit, may I add); generally stuff you can buy at Greenhouse.

But yeah, this isn't mainly for games; it's more for development, but I still want to be able to run games (regardless of whether its as high quality as may be). I just want enough CPU, GPU and RAM.
 

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How is world of goo? (I know off topic) I was looking at it in the Wii store and it looked pretty cool. Fallout 3 is awesome btw if you like either the sandbox-style RPG or the Fallout series. Bethesda has done a great job on it. I just picked it up last week (collectors edition baby) with a 360 and I can barely put it down to get my work done : )
 

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World of Goo's a fun little game; I mean, I play it for 30-45 minutes and then stop. It's not the best game ever made, but its a good example of a good little game with a good replay value. I finished it in 3 hours or so, but I still replay some levels from time to time.

Only downside is that the learning curve is really small, so it gets pretty easy really fast.
 

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That's a shame, I miss the old action-puzzlers that really start to build in complexity as the levels go up. I still fire up the original Lemmings game for DOS/SNES sometimes. :)
 
I might note that Oblivion and Fallout 3 run at highest quality at full resolution without problems. In the Early 2008/Last Gen Macbook Pro. Hear that they problems in the current gen MacBook Pro.
 

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