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Gulf Oil Spill

Gulf Oil Spill


If you haven't heard, BP (British Petroleum), has been in a major world predicament these last few months. The company is involved in a devastating oil spill that threatens the golf coast in the United States and Mexico. Fish and other aquatic life are dying and the oil is spreading. BP has been accused of not doing all it can to fix this predicament and has gotten out of hand. What do you think:

Topics of Discussion:
  • What do you think about all of this
  • What do you think the shot term and long term effects are going to be
  • What is going to happen to BP and what do you think should happen
  • How so
  • etc


ps: this is a somewhat serious topic, so no half-assed posting o:

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For one, I think that this was caused by a series of issues mostly related to how BP was running the company. First, they gave the company setting up the rig inaccurate engineering diagrams for the equipment they were using. This meant that, if something went wrong, the engineers on the rig wouldn't have the information necessary to fix it in time. Second, BP gave that company extremely unrealistic expectations regarding setting up the rig, to the point where corner cutting was required, or the company would be forced off and replaced. This was so bad that one of the lead engineers, on his last bit of vacation, put his things in order, drew up his first (and final) will, warned his wife about the troubles they were facing, and went back, only to die on his last day on the job, preventing several hundred other workers from dying with him.

Then, when it actually happened, BP essentially lied about the amount of oil spilling into the gulf. While they may have been doing their best, the fact that their initial estimate put it at 1000 gallons a day, and current estimates vary from 20,000 to 50,000 gallons a day, they were definitely not telling the truth. Add to that their ineffective cleanup and containment practices, along with an oil dispersant almost as bad for the environment as the oil itself, and you have a serious ecological disaster on your hands. Add on to that the fact that the oil is STILL spilling into the gulf, faster than ever, and their current solution will take literally MONTHS to implement, and you have a seriously fucked up ecodisaster on your hands.

This is the kind of thing that makes me want to have the government force a company to liquidate ALL of its assets just to fix what they screwed up, and damned with what the CEO thinks on the matter. At this point, I don't care if it was a series of mistakes that most people could make if they were put in the right situations, and instead, I would rather see this thing fixed as best we can. While we can't restore the environment to the way it was, we can at least work toward that goal.

And before anyone suggests nuking the site, don't. It wouldn't work. It wouldn't seal off the well, and would effectively crack it and make the leak even worse. Add on to that the fact that it would violate international treaties signed by the heads of most nations in the world, and whoever nukes it will end up in some pretty hot water, internationally. Plus, there's no guarantee they'd even be able to get the nuke to detonate at 5000 feet underwater. Problems caused by the pressure, potential leaks, etc. might render the bomb a dud long before it was able to serve its new purpose.
 
The actual fault was nothing to do with BP, it was something to do with the people they hired the well from. I won't pretend to know anything about it because I don't, all I know is what the news tells me.

All the same, if the above is true, it is entirely unfair that Britain are essentially being heavily punished for an American wrongdoing.
 

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Let's just stop using oil completely.

But no, if anyone suggests that, they're dubbed an environmentalist as opposed to a realist
 
BP didn't hire the well from anyone. They got the permits and hired a company to set up the well using the equipment they were given. They proceeded to set extremely unrealistic expectations for that company, and refused to give them accurate engineering diagrams for critical parts like the "blowout preventer" that was supposed to prevent this exact type of disaster by sealing the well. With inaccurate diagrams, it was essentially impossible for the engineers on the well to keep it from failing as catastrophically as it did, when something went wrong. It would be the equivalent of trying to assemble a bicycle using the assembly manual for another bicycle, when you have no idea how to build a bicycle. In a sense, the steps would be similar, but the differences make it impossible to do it in a timely manner.

Also, the fact that the CEO of BP "wants his life back" is bad enough. Huge mistake, considering he said it on live TV, at a press conference. What about all the people on the Gulf coast who may never get their lives back, because of this spill? What about the people who actually died on the rig?
 
como":1cp9bgsc said:
Let's just stop using oil completely.

But no, if anyone suggests that, they're dubbed an environmentalist as opposed to a realist
it would be REALLY NICE if we could shut off our dependence on oil within the span of a decade or so. but such a radical change would take at the very least a few decades. literally EVERYTHING runs on oil, and until an alternative energy source that is practical and cheap can be found, we're just gonna keep using it until it's gone. it may seem easier in developed countries where the switch is kind of happening (ethanol, biofuels, etc.) but the major culprits (china, india) are going to have a much harder time switching. the economy of those two countries is booming - the governments aren't going to risk hurting it. it's an unfortunate fact but if history tells us anything, it's that we're not going to switch until we ABSOLUTELY HAVE TO - when all the oil is gone. and then we're screwed.

/cynic yaaay society

Darth J":1cp9bgsc said:
I have a good idea. Lets plug the hole with a giant cork. That should solve it.
i hope you're joking
 
Also, the fact that the CEO of BP "wants his life back" is bad enough. Huge mistake, considering he said it on live TV, at a press conference. What about all the people on the Gulf coast who may never get their lives back, because of this spill? What about the people who actually died on the rig?

IMO the dude does deserve a break, it's not as if every single thing a major multi-national company does is down to the person at the reigns. (Can Hitler really be *completely* blamed for the actions of hundreds of germans during the years leading to and during WW2?)
 
from what i've heard, the water pressure is actually forcing the oil out, like a vacuum. it's literally impossible to just plug it out because the pressure is squeezing the oil out. that's the issue.

correct me if i'm wrong though, because this is just what i've been hearing.
 
At the moment everything is just speculation. Every source is saying a different thing and the *official* sources say they do not know the causes or who is even to blame. The media likes to assume it knows everything ~
 
It's a Cartesian well. Specifically, the underground oil is under extreme pressure, and the relative lack of pressure in the water on the top end of the well lets the oil gush out in massive quantities. Sort of like what happens when you fill your mouth with water and then spit it at someone. (Or, like a water gun)
 
Im tired of the oil consumption, I myself am an inventor/engineer(even at my young age), There are plenty of ways to limit or extinguish the use of Oil,

I have come across Many Invention in my life so far. Some of which I can show you as an alternative to oil/gas

This man figured out how to Burn Salt Water as a flame? While trying to find a cure for cancer.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=li5a6iuPkNc

Man creates a machine that can put out 5 times more power then it consumes and more, free energy that runs for years without stoping, and never gets how, defying the assumptions of Physics as I like to call them
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kspI70R8Hw

Theres so much more out there then oil, so why cant we just invest in it and live cleaner and more efficient.
The government and big companies. The Man who created the Salt water Engine was threatened with law suits from big oil companies, if these machines were mass produced the government and Big companies would lose clients because everyone would be converting to efficient free energy use. There would be no market left in oil and that scares them so instead of creating something useful the keep the old. to make money.
 

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