God Condemns Two-Thirds of World to Hell

[candle]

Last week, I was in Sunday Schoolwhen I realised something. According to the Christian faith, the only way to gain enterance to Heaven, you must accept Jesus Christ as your personal saviour. I think this is messed up because that would send every non-christian (and even some christians) to an eternal after-life in hell. It also means that if Hitler were Christian, and had accepted Christ as his saviour, he would be absolved of all his sinsand allowed to enter heaven. I would like to know whatother people think about this strange fact about the Christian religion. (Just so people know, I'm Protestant, not Catholic, Baptist, or any other faction)

 

[Fafnir]

Party down in hell then. I personally think that that's a stupid idea, but if that's how they say it's going to be, let them. It's their religion.

 

[Rhazdel]

Same as any other religion. Jehovah's Witnesses, Mormons, Hinduists, Buddhists (you'll be reincarnated while they reach nirvana), Muslims.....just about every religion says that if you aren't a part of that religion you will suffer eternal consequences (except Buddhists, because you can retry life over and over until you become Buddhist and 'get it right', so to speak).

It's nothing unique to Christianity.

Just think:

You are saved in the Protestant religion, but condemned in hundreds more. It's all unnerving.

 

[Grandor]

I don't believe that to be so. God realizes that their religions everywhere, and not all of them believe in him. Why then doesn't he just smite the people now? Because he's not looking to change everyones mind. He knows some people will just not believe him. The point I'm making is, I don't think he will condemn everyone to hell just because they may not believe in him. His teachings and the path he wishes you to follow, is a good way to live your life and I believe that Jesus being the only way is wrong. If you do good things, you help people out, and even if you don't believe in God, I think you can be given access to Heaven. And also Hitler could not been accepted to Heaven. Because the only way to heaven is by not comitting sin. Since everyone has sinned, we would all be condemned to Hell right? God knows this, and he forgives us with his infinite mercy. However, even some souls cannot be forgiven. Adolf Hitler had taken to many lives to be forgiven by God. Even if he was Christian, I believe his sins could not be forgiven. But it all depends on belief. Some people believe that no matter how great the sin, it can be forgiven.


God knew and gave us free will knowing that some of us wouldn't believe in him by doing so and he still allowed it. I don't think by doing such a act he is intolerant to the religions who don't believe in him.

 

[Roph]

God realizes that their religions everywhere, and not all of them believe in him. Why then doesn't he just smite the people now?

Or maybe you know, because of the whole, like, not existing thing.

 

[Grandor]

You do realize they're are people who believe in him, right? Whether you do or not, you really haven't added proper input. Besides the topic wasn't created to discuss whether you think he exists or not.

 

[ToriVerly]

It's not just accept Jesus and get a free ticket. After accepting that you are a sinner who cannot enter heaven and that Jesus died to pay for you sins, you apologize (sort of thing lol) to Jesus and God for forgiveness for the wrong you have done and continue to try and live like Jesus would.

Obviously you'll make mistakes and you continue to ask for forgiveness and as long as you really mean it and your try your best to act like Jesus, you are a Christian and you will be accepted into heaven.

Hitler does not get into heaven even if he did accept Jesus because he did such evil things. God won't make exceptions for a "to the best of my knowledge" plea if Hitler 'thought he was doing good'.

Assuming the Bible is truth and God is real, it is justice that every sinner (meaning everyone) goes to hell if they did not repent their sins and accept Jesus as their saviour. Remember that God is Just and has given everyone every chance to repent. Just is not the same as fair.

 

[Cruelty]

It also means that if Hitler were Christian

He was.

HITLER GOOD.
GAHNDI BAD.
THE BIBLE IS RIGHT AND ALL YOUR NATIVE CULTURE IS WRONG. 8-)

Dun't worry, though, d00d. I never took anything they say seriously.

 

[Xilef]

The bible indicates that God is a jealous god, so of course s/he will condemn every religion that doesn't follow what he says. I'm surprised that Christians forget they share the same god as Jews, so when the Christians edited the bible they must've forgotten who their god was and focused on Jesus :-/

 

[Jstreet]

Didn't Hitler commit suicide, which would mean whether he was saved or not he couldn't get into heaven, because suicide can't be forgiven. Right?

 

[Xilef]

Yet another contradiction. Someone should re-write the bible. *Loads up MS Word*

 

[Xilef]

Well, if the Christian god don't ket me into heaven, then there's some better ones on the net that'll accept me in.

 

[Xilef]

I learnt to shut up in my RE lessons. My teachers would never could understand my "Riddles" and took offence to them.
Maby that section of the bible was written to try and convert people and was meant to be removed later, but the monks never got around to it.

 

[arcthemonkey]

This topic is much more comfy in the symposium, I think.

Jesus said in John 14:6 "... 'I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one goes to the Father except through me.'"

Sucks to be the people who don't believe in Jesus, huh? After all, they have never sinned or done anything against God's will. It wouldn't be fair!

Actually, if wouldn't be fair to let them in to heaven.

Is it fair that Jesus died so you can go to heaven, but you don't care? I don't see how anyone who has heard the gospel and chooses not to be saved has any room to complain.

This situation is, after all, why christians share their faith. We don't want you to go to hell. Come join our club! Admission is free!

Is there an opportunity for salvation after you die? I dunno, honestly. I assume not, but wouldn't it be nice if there was? "Oh, hey God... Sorry about not believing in you, and being an absolute prick to people who did." "Hey, don't worry about it."

As for people who have never heard the gospel, that's a more complex question, and one I don't know the answer to. I believe the Bible says something about them being judged according to their own hearts, but I don't know what that means as far as getting into heaven. All I know is that when we die, we are asked to account for our sins.

Raizu, that question of yours is only answerable in the context of God's omnipotence. How was there light before the sun? God said, "Let there be light." The sun and moon were added to the process later. Really, if the part you can't believe in that story is that the light and darkness making up days before that were simply present because God wanted them to be, then you are waaaay missing the point.

As for the omissions from the books of the bible, kindly offer some evidence to that so people can respond. If you question the translation, I'm sure the experts that translated would love to get your feedback. I mean, none of the other experts are arguing with them. It might be a refreshing break!

And now for Hitler and suicide! Yay!

I do not believe by any means that Suicide is unforgivable. This is based on the concept that you have to repent for every sin as they come. This isn't true. Jesus died for every sin that every had and will commit, and if you accept that sacrifice then your future sins are under the blood as well. This is not, of course, a ticket to sin freely. Drive another nail into the old cross would you? That's gonna make someone upstairs a bit angry. His cross was not in vain, so don't make it that way.

Do I believe Hitler could have found salvation? Yes. I can't ask God to forgive me for what I've done, but expect him not to forgive others. Everyone deserves to die, but Christ did it for them.

Finally, you can't expect me or your Sunday School teachers to answer all of your questions about God. If we knew everything there was to know, and understood everything there was to understand, then we wouldn't have much use for God anyhow, I think.

 

[arcthemonkey]

My whole point is that just because you don't believe or just because you believe something else doesn't mean you're right. That's not going to save you from the truth. Of course, if christianity is wrong then this isn't really an issue, and this entire discussion is invalid.

It's hard to argue which religion is the right one, and while christianity shares its roots with Islam, they do, indeed, follow another leader in a sense. Then again, because of their rejection of the new testament, they reject the fulfillment of prophecy that it entails. Muslims and Hindus don't really have religious experiances though, and the personal reasons for a Muslim to follow his religion and a christian to follow his are very different.

Christianity is the only religion that contains legitimately fulfilled prophecies. Not just one or two, either.

Still, as I said before -

Of course, if christianity is wrong then this isn't really an issue, and this entire discussion is invalid.

If Christianity is wrong and God doesn't exist, then nobody goes to hell! Yay! Maybe I could die and go to Valhalla and be an Einharjar :D

 

[Andy6000]

If Christianity is wrong and God doesn't exist, then nobody goes to hell! Yay! Maybe I could die and go to Valhalla and be an Einharjar :D

WRONG, if you believe in your heathenistic ways, then you shall not find true happiness in the eternal battle of Valhalla! Also again, somehow, even though what you say is like 'everyone could be right' you get across that 'I'm right' without actually saying it straight out. And also, fulfilled prophecies are silly, while I've never actually looked into the prophecies that have been fulfilled, I'm willing to say that they're probably vague, along the lines of 'and then someone will raise a big kingdom and attempt to take over the world' or, 'a great flood will come and one man will be spared'

 

[Rhazdel]

My whole point is that just because you don't believe or just because you believe something else doesn't mean you're right. That's not going to save you from the truth. Of course, if christianity is wrong then this isn't really an issue, and this entire discussion is invalid.

It's hard to argue which religion is the right one, and while christianity shares its roots with Islam, they do, indeed, follow another leader in a sense. Then again, because of their rejection of the new testament, they reject the fulfillment of prophecy that it entails. Muslims and Hindus don't really have religious experiances though, and the personal reasons for a Muslim to follow his religion and a christian to follow his are very different.

Christianity is the only religion that contains legitimately fulfilled prophecies. Not just one or two, either.

Still, as I said before -


If Christianity is wrong and God doesn't exist, then nobody goes to hell! Yay! Maybe I could die and go to Valhalla and be an Einharjar :D

I think the point Scruff Mc Gruff is trying to make is that there is no way to prove Christianity as the one, true faith. Therefore, there is no real alarm for "2/3 of the world are condemned" because, by that logic, 100% of the global population is condemned in one religion or the other.

I'm not saying Christianity is wrong, only that it isn't necessarily correct.

If Muslims and Hindus didn't believe in their religions, they wouldn't practice it.

The Aztecs also fulfilled their prophecies, and they had very different views on salvation and Jesus. It does not invalidate their religious beliefs.

And what difference is there in a Muslim following his or her faith and a Christian following his or her faith? Both are trying to serve what they feel god has asked of them. Different means to the same end.

And Muslims do have religious experiences. Not quite sure what you are founding that claim on.
I think Scruff's ultimate point (and, since I don't feel I should speak for Scruff, and so I'll say it's my point) is that when you step outside of the "OMG, 2/3 of the world is condemned!", you realize that it is included in all religion.

 

[Agent_Smith]

First of all, I think that someone shouldn't judge something that they know nothing about. I believe that the answer lies through a sence of will. If there is a god and s/he (or no gender) sees you searching for the honest truth s/he will find a way to get it to you.

If you want as accurate a translation that you can find to study the bible in I reccommend a direct word for word translation to english. But take into coinsideration that what's written in it is in a different dialect. Like in english when someone says something as an order and they really are requesting something. I believe that slang did exist in biblical times and this could explain how it's worded with making the light and creating the sun and moon. Plus if something dosn't quite factor in with what you believe and you're reading that something from the bible. It might just be possible that the the religon you're in is the wrong one. No matter what religon that is.

Hears a link to the direct translation version (if you don't believe me look up "Young's Literal Translation" on the internet.)
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=1&chapter=1&version=15

Is it right to take part of something that was said (aka a verse in the bible) and call it a fact, when it's just a fragment of what they were saying?

One more thing. The reason that evoliton makes no sence is because everything is all to perfect and people are not getting bigger and better as time goes on. But rather were just getting weaker and living shorter lives.

 

[Andy6000]

One more thing. The reason that evoliton makes no sence is because everything is all to perfect and people are not getting bigger and better as time goes on. But rather were just getting weaker and living shorter lives.

Not only off-topic, but woefully uninformed as well! hooray! The reason we're not getting 'bigger and better' is that we don't hunt any more. Dominance is not determined by who is the biggest, most agile and fit anymore, it's determined by who is the most successful, who has the most money, who has the weirdest looking hair-piece.

 

[FoxDemonSoavi]

actualy, we are living LONGER lives. Because of science. In this society brains are what matters. Not size. And we are getting TALLER not shorter.