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DerVVulfman
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I have all 4: Arena, Daggerfall, Morrowind and Oblivion. While Oblivion has better graphics (and Patrick Stewart as the Emperor), Morrowind has so many mods and patches out there (graphics enhancements, additional quests, cheats and etc) that will keep you entertained.
But, it depends on whether you're into an open-ended system. You can literally go for weeks without even touching the main quest.
But, it depends on whether you're into an open-ended system. You can literally go for weeks without even touching the main quest.
I agree with DerWulfman, morrowind is rediculously time consuming. You could play it for 200+ hours and not even be half way through. The combat isn't really that good at all I thought but so much makes up for it. A.K.A books that the makers actually wrote for the game, I'm talking novels, that you can read in game. However if you're looking for a good fight with a sword with breathtaking graphics, oblivion is for you. Now I'm not saying oblivion isn't a deep game, but you can play straight through it as well.
DerVVulfman
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It's not just the original game... though excellent and detailed... but you can find 'quest' mods that can add new adventures and such... be it action mods, horror mods (mainly vampire mods), romance mods, dungeon crawls and the like. Some can be fairly simple... some rather comic... some ... um... should be 18 or older...
And... hahaha... I just found out Lynda Carter (70's Wonder Woman?) just did some voice over work???
And... hahaha... I just found out Lynda Carter (70's Wonder Woman?) just did some voice over work???
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TEL'S (DELICIOUS, THOUGH SOMEWHAT SALTY) ELDER SCROLLS RANT
In this post I will be bitching about the Elder Scrolls series, which is quite possibly the only series in the world that is simultaneously the best and worst series ever. It will be long-winded and bitterly sarcastic, and will hopefully answer your question! To begin with, some background information.
Morrowind has numerous factions that you can join, with questlines for each that splinter off into multiple other questlines. These factions are: Imperial Legion, Morag Tong, Fighters' Guild, Mages' Guild, Thieves' Guild, House Hlaalu, House Redoran, House Telvanni, Imperial Cult, Tribunal Temple. I'm certain I missed a few. (This covers only the base game, disregarding the expansions.) The world is approximately eight kilometers by eight kilometers. It's a pretty alien place, with huge mushrooms and shit and a city with a large portion of it contained within the shell of a gigantic crab! There are also a couple fishing villages containing pretty much just shacks, some normal medieval-style towns, and some crazy towns with like whacky-looking clay houses. Ruins dot the landscape, with caves and dungeons and stuff that you can raid. A large chunk of the island on which the game takes place is dominated by this huge fucking volcano, and mountainous regions and stuff. There are also swamps, a whacky savanna place, and some normal grassy woodland regions. All in all it is a pretty whacky, diverse, dangerous, though still attractive place!
The main quest, to put it simply, is fucking terrible. Spoilers!
It doesn't sound bad. It really isn't bad when you look at it from a distance. But it is horribly executed - as is most of Morrowind. More on that later.
Elder Scrolls lore is some of the deepest, most involving shit I have ever read. Bethsoft has put a FUCKING LOT of work into crafting their world, yet at the same time they like to completely disregard most of the lore in favor of something easier. It's not really a huge issue in Morrowind, considering Vvardenfell played a fairly small role in anything before Morrowind came out, but it's really noticeable in Oblivion, which takes place in Cyrodiil, the main province of the empire. But this is not an Oblivion thread so I will save that for another day.
Graphically, for its time, Morrowind is pretty good. Trees don't sway in the wind, and water (with pixel shading, mind you) looks kindof metallic, but it's executed nicely. The animations are horrible - everyone runs like Edd from Ed, Edd, and Eddy. But the world is pretty fast, and doesn't lag nearly as much as Oblivion does.
Gameplay-wise, Morrowind is still pretty good but still lacks. Battles consist of slash, chop, and thrust - with damage ratings according to which attack is used and which weapon is used to make that attack. So you can thrust with an axe and it will cause damage, but not as much as a chop because thrusting with an axe really doesn't cause that much damage irl. Arrows fly off into the distance forever, never arcing, just disappearing. Crossbow bolts do much the same thing, as well as throwing knives and the like. Magic is pretty much aim and cast, except self-targeted spells, which are just cast. The people have very little personality, except for a few key NPCs. The monsters are complete bullshit - they're easy, they're just really annoying. Cliff Racers will aggro you from the other side of a mountain and just divebomb your ass until you take them out. Nix Hounds have annoying sounds and just run after you until you take them out. Guars are cute imo, and generally not feral (unless it is a feral guar, hohoho!) so hey. Kagoutis and Alixes and etc. are annoying and gay but easy though often diseased. Rats are nothing. Scribs are annoying. Mudcrabs are gr8 fun. Touching on every flaw in the game would require several leather-bound volumes with gilded pages, so I'll save that for another day as well!
TEHERE ARE A FUCKING LOT OF MODS FOR THIS GAME. A lot of them suck, but there are A FUCKING LOT OF MODS FOR THIS GAME. There are some pretty fantastic ones, though - quest mods, weapon mods, armor mods, NPC mods, gameplay mods, realism mods, house mods, graphic mods, god knows what else. There are total conversions to make Morrowind some completely other game, though very few of them worked out really.
Put simply, Morrowind is both fucking terrible and fucking great. It is like it realizes how much it sucks and mocks it, and that mocking makes it suck even more. It is kindof whacky like that. It is better with the expansions and with mods, but it is still horrible.
Basically it's like $10 nowadays so you won't be missing car payments for a month to play it. So yeah, in a nutshell just buy it and play it and mod it when it starts to suck. After it just sucks beyond comprehension then the next game will be out.
tl;dr: buy it, play it, drown it in mods when it is unbearably shitty, wait for TES5.
In this post I will be bitching about the Elder Scrolls series, which is quite possibly the only series in the world that is simultaneously the best and worst series ever. It will be long-winded and bitterly sarcastic, and will hopefully answer your question! To begin with, some background information.
Morrowind has numerous factions that you can join, with questlines for each that splinter off into multiple other questlines. These factions are: Imperial Legion, Morag Tong, Fighters' Guild, Mages' Guild, Thieves' Guild, House Hlaalu, House Redoran, House Telvanni, Imperial Cult, Tribunal Temple. I'm certain I missed a few. (This covers only the base game, disregarding the expansions.) The world is approximately eight kilometers by eight kilometers. It's a pretty alien place, with huge mushrooms and shit and a city with a large portion of it contained within the shell of a gigantic crab! There are also a couple fishing villages containing pretty much just shacks, some normal medieval-style towns, and some crazy towns with like whacky-looking clay houses. Ruins dot the landscape, with caves and dungeons and stuff that you can raid. A large chunk of the island on which the game takes place is dominated by this huge fucking volcano, and mountainous regions and stuff. There are also swamps, a whacky savanna place, and some normal grassy woodland regions. All in all it is a pretty whacky, diverse, dangerous, though still attractive place!
The main quest, to put it simply, is fucking terrible. Spoilers!
There is a guy on Vvardenfell (the island the game takes place on) who pretty much wants to drive the white man off and reclaim it for the dark elves. At the same time he wants to fuck over the Temple, who hate him for becoming a god even though they themselves became gods through much the same process. You are some guy/girl thrown on a prison ship from the Imperial City with no past, present, or future. As it turns out, through some whacky series of events precluding your arrival, you are the reincarnation of Nerevar, an old warrior-saint, sent to save Vvardenfell from the evils of Dagoth Ur, the evil guy who wants to fuck shit up. You run around collecting some artifacts and put them all together and go to the citadel of Dagoth Ur, home of Dagoth Ur, located in the center of the aforementioned volcano, and fuck him up and stop his dastardly deeds of reclaiming Morrowind for its ancestral people by destroying this huge fucking robot thing and, to do so, ruining his immortality (and also kindof fucking over the Temple). You're hailed as a hero, bad guy's dead, bada bing, bada boom, hookers and blow at your feet.
It doesn't sound bad. It really isn't bad when you look at it from a distance. But it is horribly executed - as is most of Morrowind. More on that later.
Elder Scrolls lore is some of the deepest, most involving shit I have ever read. Bethsoft has put a FUCKING LOT of work into crafting their world, yet at the same time they like to completely disregard most of the lore in favor of something easier. It's not really a huge issue in Morrowind, considering Vvardenfell played a fairly small role in anything before Morrowind came out, but it's really noticeable in Oblivion, which takes place in Cyrodiil, the main province of the empire. But this is not an Oblivion thread so I will save that for another day.
Graphically, for its time, Morrowind is pretty good. Trees don't sway in the wind, and water (with pixel shading, mind you) looks kindof metallic, but it's executed nicely. The animations are horrible - everyone runs like Edd from Ed, Edd, and Eddy. But the world is pretty fast, and doesn't lag nearly as much as Oblivion does.
Gameplay-wise, Morrowind is still pretty good but still lacks. Battles consist of slash, chop, and thrust - with damage ratings according to which attack is used and which weapon is used to make that attack. So you can thrust with an axe and it will cause damage, but not as much as a chop because thrusting with an axe really doesn't cause that much damage irl. Arrows fly off into the distance forever, never arcing, just disappearing. Crossbow bolts do much the same thing, as well as throwing knives and the like. Magic is pretty much aim and cast, except self-targeted spells, which are just cast. The people have very little personality, except for a few key NPCs. The monsters are complete bullshit - they're easy, they're just really annoying. Cliff Racers will aggro you from the other side of a mountain and just divebomb your ass until you take them out. Nix Hounds have annoying sounds and just run after you until you take them out. Guars are cute imo, and generally not feral (unless it is a feral guar, hohoho!) so hey. Kagoutis and Alixes and etc. are annoying and gay but easy though often diseased. Rats are nothing. Scribs are annoying. Mudcrabs are gr8 fun. Touching on every flaw in the game would require several leather-bound volumes with gilded pages, so I'll save that for another day as well!
TEHERE ARE A FUCKING LOT OF MODS FOR THIS GAME. A lot of them suck, but there are A FUCKING LOT OF MODS FOR THIS GAME. There are some pretty fantastic ones, though - quest mods, weapon mods, armor mods, NPC mods, gameplay mods, realism mods, house mods, graphic mods, god knows what else. There are total conversions to make Morrowind some completely other game, though very few of them worked out really.
Put simply, Morrowind is both fucking terrible and fucking great. It is like it realizes how much it sucks and mocks it, and that mocking makes it suck even more. It is kindof whacky like that. It is better with the expansions and with mods, but it is still horrible.
Basically it's like $10 nowadays so you won't be missing car payments for a month to play it. So yeah, in a nutshell just buy it and play it and mod it when it starts to suck. After it just sucks beyond comprehension then the next game will be out.
tl;dr: buy it, play it, drown it in mods when it is unbearably shitty, wait for TES5.
eternal_magus
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yeah she pretty much hit the nail on the head
yeah she pretty much hit the nail on the head
EmuMaster2002
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Thing is, Oblivion isn't deep at all. It's basically a 3-d version of Streets of Rage. Medievil, with customization. But the premise is the same: Kill shit.
Morrowind, on the other hand, is incredible. Especially with mods, which can now make the game's graphics on par with games that came out three years later. Or so. Still, you should buy it. You'll love it.
Morrowind, on the other hand, is incredible. Especially with mods, which can now make the game's graphics on par with games that came out three years later. Or so. Still, you should buy it. You'll love it.
DerVVulfman
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Yeah, and mod making is a breeze.... in comparison to making mods for Oblivion. You'll have a copy of "TES Construction Kit" for Morrowind on the Morrowind disc. For Oblivion, it turned out to be a separate download. That, and you'll find tutorials everywhere... including: Morrowind_Scripting_for_Dummies_8.pdf and Morrowind Mod Maker's Bible (I prefer the 1st one).
I don't trust modding stuff...is it hard modding? Cause I tried that in Fable:TLC, and well....let's just say my awsome maxed out character with the Avo's Tear got pwnt by me switching chicken meshs. If it's simple clicking and dragging, I may get into it though. Like with the Black & White modding stuff.
DerVVulfman
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And the maps (land and buildings using the above models), dialogs, npcs, items, spells and all such are saved in .esp, .esm and .bsa files. .ESP files can be made with the supplied Construction Kit (in Morrowind anyway).
Daggerfall is my favorate out of all of them. If you walk from one end of the map to the other it would take you 2 straight weeks of gameplay (no pausing, saving or quiting. Just leave the character walking.) just to get to the other end. This game was so indepth you had over 1000 quest. And thats in two provinces alone. The amount you could do in this game was amazing , still to this day i wish they would remake it . Check it out if you havent heared of it.
Is it really necroposting now that everything in the forum has been reset back to September? If the user had no clue about the dates, I could understand your sentiment. But perhaps this site time warp created a loophole in some instances of necroposting. I could be wrong, though.
I watched somebody play through Oblivion and I didn't even want to bother. It seemed really short and it felt like the graphics overshadowed the story. Morrowind definitely strikes me as the best of them all. I called somebody at work a filthy s'wit once. I deservingly received an interesting stare.
I watched somebody play through Oblivion and I didn't even want to bother. It seemed really short and it felt like the graphics overshadowed the story. Morrowind definitely strikes me as the best of them all. I called somebody at work a filthy s'wit once. I deservingly received an interesting stare.