Attention Important Copyright issue that pertains to RRR

[So fist]

This pertains to copyright issues for resources posted on RpgRevolution.com aka RRR.

The company which owns RRR, Ientry, has the following in its terms and agreements regarding intellectual property posted on their website:

User Submissions Not Privileged
Any material, information or other communication you transmit or post to this website ("Submissions") will be considered non-confidential and non proprietary. iEntry shall have no obligations with respect to your Submissions. iEntry and its designees will be free to copy, disclose, distribute, incorporate and otherwise use your Submissions and all data, images, sounds, text and other things embodied therein for any and all commercial or non-commercial purposes. You are prohibited from posting or transmitting to or from this website any unlawful, threatening, libelous, defamatory, obscene, pornographic or other material that would violate any applicable law.

Reference:
http://www.rpgrevolution.com/forums/ind ... t&p=259721

Now this has not been clarified, but under its very general language this can be taken to mean that any non previously legally binding claimed intellectual property becomes IEntry's. Ientry and whomever it designates, has the right to redistribute commercially with no rights to the originator of that resource. I would suggest that if you are a member of RRR, to go to the administrators and ask them to get Ientry to clarify this with stronger language. I would highly recommend that you not post anything there that you intend to use commercially until RRR cleans up the matter.

Just a heads up.

 

[MistTribe]

I just read this and while I was reading it I almost shit my pants. That's a little... WRONG.

I posted some commercial material there a while back and didn't know all that crap. It's a good thing I removed it before I read this. I REALLY woulda fainted. :crazy:

 

[cairn]

that's just insane. It's like one of our scripters posting one hell of a massive script, and the managers of .org reposting the script saying *we did this*. Just so wrong ¬¬.

 

[Wolfgang]

...it is part of their posting agreement. Something you probably decided not to read or pay attention to. This would not be considered 'wrong' because you decided not to read up on their policies. It may not be a cool thing for them to do, but apparently they have the right to do so and you chose to agree to that. I personally think that it's stupid but that would only make a member of RRR that much more stupid for putting commercial stuff on their site without reading their terms.

EDIT :: Sorry Wyatt, I was assuming from what Killface had said that this was some thing that probably had been around a while and was just in the middle of some paragraph. The announcement does concern me, however, being that I am using my game semi-commercially. It is a prototype for the game I want to work on with whatever gaming studio I end up working for after I finish my game programming degree.

 

[Ellie]

False. Nowhere when registering did it ask you to agree to that legal statement. On top of that, apart from a tiny "legal" link at the bottom of the screen there was no way for current members to have known.

This thread is not attacking RRR, nor is it saying you shouldn't read legal statements. It is just warning members. If you personally don't see it as a problem then that is fine, this topic obviously wasn't aimed at you.

 

[So fist]

I would also add that if all you have or would post on RRR is essentially freeware for everyone to use I wouldn't worry about it. They wouldn't be able to sell what can be gotten freely elsewhere. Really this is a notice for people that are making pieces of commercial quality and have no registered copyrights but rather the defacto one bestowed on creators of a work.

 

[Roph]

Mmmm, yummy spam sites attempting to cash-in on the rpg maker niche with zango spyware and commercial / web traffic / member count interests over community quality or popularity :biggrin:

 

[moog]

idgi

 

[So fist]

Are you serious or is that just a joke mock up? Also you can set up FF to do that through the preferences? I'm gonna check that out.

 

[Atoa]

in small terms, it says that they can do anything they want with anything posted there as it own to them?
Too bad.

For now it don't bothers me since i'm posting only 100% freeware material, but i have in mind making my future systems "free only for non-commercial purpouse".

But wait! who cares XD I would be really unlucky if someday they would get some of my works to their own interest. '-'

 

[Cait]

That's obviously a mock up, because my computer does that to a few sites and I visit have visited RPGrevolution site quite a bit. There have been sites that it won't let me go to. Otherwise, thanks for the heads up, because I wouldn't have known.

 

[MistTribe]

Naw its's not a mock up, my FF has done it before but i put it on the ignore list.

 

[Roph]

They don't use those particular malware / spyware ads anymore, I guess too many people complained :haha:

 

[RATED-RKOFRANKLIN]

I am a member there. There is a huge discussion about this. I'm removing all of my project information and any thing else that Ientry can take.

Ientry the owners of the site have been pissing people off. They won't even update RRR, but they update their other sites. Ientry also does not have RRR listed as one of their sites, on the Ientry game site page.

 

[Stardust]

We can certainly hope to get more activity here, then. The only thing they're doing is deterring people from posting there, which means they'll move elsewhere. That means coming here, going somewhere else, or making a new site for the members. Ientry is not very good at business, apparently.

^This is all an assumption, but a reasonable one from my point of view.

 

[RATED-RKOFRANKLIN]

Admin said they will not make a new site. They have a lot of faith that Ientry made a mistake or will fix it. However Ientry ignores most of their emails to them. Members have been upset at Ientry for months.

 

[munk3yboy]

Nah guys, many sites you submit content to have things like that in their Terms of Use. YouTube and Napster would have pioneered it if it was actually that easy to strip copyrights away. I know GMail has something similar in their Terms of Use that make it sound like they own everything you submit in an email since that was actually in the news awhile back.

They don't mean they are claiming sole copyright to your work to use as they see fit commercially - nor are they stripping that right from you in anyway. They're basically stating that if you post your stuff on their site they don't have to pay you royalty fees even though they may make money off it indirectly (typically via advertising). It's to keep knuckleheads from trying to claim the site owes them money for generating an ad-click that they otherwise might not had the knucklehead not posted their poem about Aeris or whatever. You know, basically forcing them to pay for whatever the hell you put on their site, since you own it and they're possibly generating income off it being there. The alternative would be like the Deviant Art prints, where they explicitly do wish to sell people's stuff, so they compensate them in order to do so. Blatantly trying to steal copyrighted material would be a death sentence for a company. This particular one is too lazy to even update the homepage, they're not going to set up Zen Cart and try to sell sprites or nuffin.

 

[Ellie]

The point is, well... From_Ariel explained well on RRR:

fact though sites like for example deviant art ha ve the same notice but ameand it to say "all artwork (games) subbmitted by users remains the intellectual property of the creator in entirity the creator gives <site owner> permission to use this content on the site and the submitter can ask to have it removed by contacting ...."

making a modification like this would eas the issue

for example myspace had a policy worded like this and a popular musician put his music on myspace then realized that by proxy of the agreement mypspace then had full ability to resell his music withot paying him a dime. So myspace amended its agreement rather than lose the use of thier site by big name musicians whom draw ppl inot the site and thus earn myspace its real money advertising.

I think if ientry respects us and our advertising they will amend thier policy too.

RRR, being an RPG Maker website, is different to the other sites iEntry own, and being a big company like that they should have realised that. Ignorance is not an excuse, neither is using the same license for every website (that's just lazy on their part).

 

[RATED-RKOFRANKLIN]

Ientry has spoken on RRR today.

http://www.rpgrevolution.com/forums/ind ... ntry261256

So what do you guys think of this?

 

[Mistraval]

There, all settled. Your multimillion dollar resources will not be used commercially.