Alright to "Paddle"?

[Tachiba]

Studies have shown that people who experienced paddling as a kid become problem kids in aolescence.  Personally, I believe these studies are a load of crap.  See, I'm a Southern black person, and if you did one thing, like say, not finishing your food, you'd haveto get a whupping, mainly getting a branch outside for your parent to use to sspank you.  But, ifmy parents didnt spank me, I dont believe I'd be the man I am today.  I could even be in jail.

Do you think that the studies are Right or wronG?
Discuss.

 

[Despain]

parents should be able to hit their kids so long as it doesn't reach abuse. teachers etc shouldn't be able to hit other peoples' kids.

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[Venetia]

parents should be able to hit their kids so long as it doesn't reach abuse. teachers etc shouldn't be able to hit other peoples' kids.

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i agree.

whuppins never did nothin to nobody, however if some faggety teacher laid a hand on my kid's ass (unless they TOTALLY deserved it) i'd fucking break it off.

 

[FlippyD]

Thirded, hell it doesn't even need to be paddling. I've been choked and thrown into glass! :straightthumb:

(Doesn't have to be that strong, but I swear sometimes when I hear a kid out of control in public while the parents nervously try to get them under control I wish I could give em' a quick slap like was done back in the day.)

 

[sixtyandaquarter]

My parents gave me a smack or eight with a wooden spoon I shut up.
My teachers gave me a smack I hit her with a yard stick and got expelled from the school.

Such is the way things should be.

 

[FlippyD]

My parents gave me a smack or eight with a wooden spoon I shut up.
My teachers gave me a smack I hit her with a yard stick and got expelled from the school.

Such is the way things should be.

Man, I went to a catholic school where nuns would beat the shit out of us and all I got was a lousy fetish.

 

[sixtyandaquarter]

Agreed.  Only it ain't so lousy and it came from my friend's sisters who baby sat us :x

Seriously though, parents hit their kids that's fine.  Just don't cause damage.  A little tiny pain is gonna get you to cry and your going to stubbornly follow directions, at least you follow directions.  It doesn't hurt anyone really.  Abuse is one thing, causing actual damage is just fucked up, even if this "tiny pain" is for no reason or just consecutively nonstopping, that's abuse.  But no one should touch any one elses kids.

 

[rey meustrus]

Parents got it all wrong nowadays.  They need to lay on the pain early, then lay off when the kid gets willpower.  Once somebody reaches the age where they begin to understand the world better and have greater will to resist.  Too many parents seem to have it all wrong; their little eight-year-old is so precious that nobody should dare even suggest they've been bad or give them a bad grade (they're just oh so perfect and incapable of wrong-doing), but their adolescent is a disobedient little shit that doesn't listen to a single thing they say.  Then they punish the adolescent, even though at that point any adversity only breeds hatred for the punisher, not a desire to change.

 

[FlippyD]

Parents got it all wrong nowadays.  They need to lay on the pain early, then lay off when the kid gets willpower.  Once somebody reaches the age where they begin to understand the world better and have greater will to resist.  Too many parents seem to have it all wrong; their little eight-year-old is so precious that nobody should dare even suggest they've been bad or give them a bad grade (they're just oh so perfect and incapable of wrong-doing), but their adolescent is a disobedient little shit that doesn't listen to a single thing they say.  Then they punish the adolescent, even though at that point any adversity only breeds hatred for the punisher, not a desire to change.

That's why they need to reintroduce Truancy officers... And why I should be one.

 

[Buster]

My mom had the right idea, she would take a wooden spoon and firmly smack us on the back of the hand, or in sever cases, paddle us hard in the ass with a block of wood.  My dad... luckily, I didn't suffer his wrath firsthand, but I remember one night he had my older brothers locked in their room and he was seriously beating the shit out of them with his fists for sneaking out the house together to sleep over at a friend's house.  They were fucking crying and screaming the entire time, but he went on for like half an hour just straight beating the shit out of them (mixed in with yelling, of course).  Me and my sister were in my dad's room (we were playing ferrets prior to the beatings), and we just kind of sat there crying.  I think I was 6 at the time... anyways, that's one of the reasons I kind of despise my dad nowadays (thank god my mom divorced him two years later).
But yeah, moderate paddling, like my mom did, is perfectly alright.  It keeps kids in line, teaches them about consequences, and prevents the paddler from exploding from their pent-up rage.

 

[Dissonance]

What's with the whole "nobody should touch somebody else's kids" thing that seems to be rampant in this thread?  I mean yeah TEACHERS or people in positions of suthority probably shouldn't so they can maintain some kind of level of professionalism but if some retarded 10 year old cunt is going to walk up to me and mouth off and feel like I'm not going to kick him in the face because every other adult he's ever met lets his shit fly, he's going to lose some teeth.

I've done it before and it's fun in a disturbing way - little kids fly far when an adult kicks them

 

[bradleydfc]

I think it's because you have no right to. You have no idea or information on that child.
Say if he has something such as autism, or another attribute that certainly could change his or her behaviour. It is not fair.

Onto topic, I don't think there's anything wrong with spanking your kids. Not too hard anyway.
I believe the reason its so frowned upon today (I think it's actually banned in the UK) is because some parents are so numb minded and have such bad control over their kids that they themselves cant seem to discover the difference between putting a child in line, and outright abuse.

 

[FlippyD]

I think it's because you have no right to. You have no idea or information on that child.
Say if he has something such as autism, or another attribute that certainly could change his or her behaviour. It is not fair.

Onto topic, I don't think there's anything wrong with spanking your kids. Not too hard anyway.
I believe the reason its so frowned upon today (I think it's actually banned in the UK) is because some parents are so numb minded and have such bad control over their kids that they themselves cant seem to discover the difference between putting a child in line, and outright abuse.

That seems negligible, the child has no information on you either. And we're not talking about a kid with autism, but a kid who thinks he or she can resort to verbal abuse and won't have to worry about repercussions. Granted most people still wouldn't do anything, and if a big burly man punches the teeth out of some 7 year old he still should go to jail, but what about delinquents who harass the homeless and nobody does anything? I don't think anyone would disagree with me, that if a bunch of 10 year olds threw firecrackers at a homeless man the homeless man should be able to get up and beat those kids in his own defense.

Back on topic, we're talking about kids who think they can do whatever they please. While it sure as hell aint' gonna happen I feel most people wouldn't be adverse to a kid getting smacked upside the face if he's being a nuisance to everyone (and not crying because he or she didn't get the toy they wanted, but doing things that if anyone else did would land them a big punch to the jaw.

And I think teachers should be allowed to punish a child who is troublesome, but I don't trust teachers nowadays to have the level of wisdom required to know in what situations would warrant discipline and which situations don't. Also I think if it was done it should be done in private elsewhere, at least to mitigate the amount of chastising a child would get from his peers.

Or something, I dunno. I need to eat some bacon right now.

 

[arbiter]

;D

 

[rey meustrus]

There's an intense underlying issue that we seem to have touched on, and that's how much much we can trust other people not to be dumbasses, and by extension, how much control our governments should exert on everybody's lives because of those that are incapable of controlling themselves.  We seem to agree that a good spanking would help a lot of children to grow up, but we also agree that some parents aren't capable of distinguishing between discipline for the child's sake and discipline for the parent's sake.  It's not alright to act on anger against your own child.

So what is our solution?  Do we give everybody the right to punish their children as they see fit, or even the right of others to punish your children as they see fit?  Or do we outlaw all corporeal punishment, categorizing it all as abuse, knowing that a good fraction of it is?  Trying to pass certain laws on certain people becomes extremely dicey, as any time a government is put into a position to judge which people are under which law, the judges are invariably not the ones who wrote the law and they WILL insert their own personal bias.

 

[FlippyD]

Except parents who are abusively violence won't give a damn and beat their kids anyway. :tongue:

So instead we just have it so kids can report abuse, and not get all soft on kids.

 

[Tindy]

I full-heartedly plan on smacking my future kids when they deserve it.

In the meantime, when they don't need a smack, I'm going to damn well let them know how displeased I am with their behavior.  I'm sick and tired of these spineless parents saying things like "No-no, Sweety, nice touches" when the kid bites or pinches somebody.  Here's a clue: one and a half year olds don't understand "nice touches."  They understand that they don't like to hear mommy's voice get loud and angry.  It's worse when you say the above statement in a pithy goody-goody voice, like my sister-in-law constantly uses with my nephew.  It's pathetic.

When you accompany "NO" with a light smack, they understand that a big, booming voice and "No" means "cease whatever I'm doing because it's making mommy/daddy unhappy and it hurts me."

Now, that doesn't mean I'm going to abuse my kids.  I've seen both extremes and typically the kid grows up to be a brat either way, either because he feels like he has free reign or because he's acting out.

My nephew does everything I tell him to do.  Come here, stop that, close that (he loves cupboards....), etc.  He doesn't listen to a word his mum says.

 

[rey meustrus]

And his mother's probably just fine with that, because everything he does is so precious and perfect anyway who would want to spoil his innocent childhood OMG.

 

[Shadow_Strike]

You guys got it easy. When I was a boy and misbehaved. I got this...
http://www.junglephotos.com/africa/afpl ... bamboo.jpg[/img].

But I guess thats child abuse ain't it, to punish a child.

 

[Sic Semper Tyranosaurus]

You guys got it easy. When I was a boy and misbehaved. I got this...
http://www.junglephotos.com/africa/afpl ... bamboo.jpg[/img].

But I guess thats child abuse ain't it, to punish a child.

You got sent out into a bamboo grove to find yourself?

Aaaaaaaaaanyway. Sometimes, you have to hit the children. Very young kids often just can't be reasoned with. They're self-centered due to their lack of neural and emotional development. Little kids are a lot more lizard brain than monkey brain, but that will change with time. Until that times comes, there's nothing wrong with swatting them on the ass when "Don't do that," hasn't worked.

Studies have shown that people who experienced paddling as a kid become problem kids in aolescence.  Personally, I believe these studies are a load of crap. 

Fuck scientists, my anecdotal evidence trumps all that shit!  :cheers: Of course, you're misinterpreting the study. Studies never claim outright that anything causes anything else. What the study cites is a correlation between physical punishment as a child and troubled youth. By and large, the children studied who got 'whupped' more often turned into hooligans.

Thirded, hell it doesn't even need to be paddling. I've been choked and thrown into glass! :straightthumb:

Living Christ.